Anonymous
08/27/2023 07:31
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
Anonymous wrote:No. It's more a matter of trusting licensure in other countries.
Do you really believe they don’t trust doctors from UK, Australia, Germany, France, etc…?
They could decide to accept licensed doctors from countries they trust. They are already accepting Canadian licenses.
It’s more a matter of controlling access to the profession to limit competition.
The last thing the American Medical Association wants is a surplus of doctors.
Anonymous
08/27/2023 06:51
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
I was on a jury earlier this year. The plaintiff claimed she was injured due to negligence by her assisted living facility.
Both sides had medical expert witnesses. The plaintiff had a quack who wasn't board-certified. The defense had a medical school professor who had literally written the book on elder care. You can probably guess how the trial ended...so these lawyers got what they paid for.
Both sides had medical expert witnesses. The plaintiff had a quack who wasn't board-certified. The defense had a medical school professor who had literally written the book on elder care. You can probably guess how the trial ended...so these lawyers got what they paid for.
Anonymous
08/27/2023 04:17
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP can go right ahead and trust their open heart or brain surgery to their doctors from Zimbabwe who've never had to pass the boards or do residency here.
Have fun!
Aren’t you precious.
Why not allow them? We trust our homes, children, clean our fresh food and construction projects to cheap labor. Ahh. These are unimportant jobs (not) so doesn’t matter who does them. Got it.
Open heart surgery is no more skilled than food washing?
No thanks
Anonymous
08/27/2023 01:11
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
Anonymous wrote:OP can go right ahead and trust their open heart or brain surgery to their doctors from Zimbabwe who've never had to pass the boards or do residency here.
Have fun!
Aren’t you precious.
Why not allow them? We trust our homes, children, clean our fresh food and construction projects to cheap labor. Ahh. These are unimportant jobs (not) so doesn’t matter who does them. Got it.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 22:35
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
OP can go right ahead and trust their open heart or brain surgery to their doctors from Zimbabwe who've never had to pass the boards or do residency here.
Have fun!
Have fun!
Anonymous
08/26/2023 22:06
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
And re your "and other professionals" needing to face foreign competition, a massive portion of the tech industry, which is very well compensated. Is foreign born. https://coldstreams.com/2023/01/30/software-40-of-software-engineers-born-outside-the-united-states/
I think you might think that white collar professionals need more skin in the game with immigration, is that the idea? They definitely have skin in the game. That is why immigration is a point that the GOP hammers on-- it has broad appeal.
I think you might think that white collar professionals need more skin in the game with immigration, is that the idea? They definitely have skin in the game. That is why immigration is a point that the GOP hammers on-- it has broad appeal.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 22:01
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doctors in the US average about the same $ as a senior software engineer, but with much more expensive education, expensive malpractice insurance, grueling hours, and austere work environments. Why would we want to lower their salaries so that they make what a UK doctor makes, without UK hours and benefits? No. People will just go into other fields.
I get that they deal in people’s lives and theoretically improving them. However, unless doctors and other white collar pros face threats from incoming immigrants, medical costs will continue to rise more and be out of reach for regular people who have to compete with cheaper labor for jobs.
Currently, 20% of US doctors were born and educated abroad. That is pretty substantial.
https://www.aamc.org/news/1-5-us-physicians-was-born-and-educated-abroad-who-are-they-and-what-do-they-contribute
Anonymous
08/26/2023 21:56
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doctors in the US average about the same $ as a senior software engineer, but with much more expensive education, expensive malpractice insurance, grueling hours, and austere work environments. Why would we want to lower their salaries so that they make what a UK doctor makes, without UK hours and benefits? No. People will just go into other fields.
I get that they deal in people’s lives and theoretically improving them. However, unless doctors and other white collar pros face threats from incoming immigrants, medical costs will continue to rise more and be out of reach for regular people who have to compete with cheaper labor for jobs.
Doctor compensation is not the driver behind increased medical costs.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 21:54
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
Anonymous wrote:Doctors in the US average about the same $ as a senior software engineer, but with much more expensive education, expensive malpractice insurance, grueling hours, and austere work environments. Why would we want to lower their salaries so that they make what a UK doctor makes, without UK hours and benefits? No. People will just go into other fields.
I get that they deal in people’s lives and theoretically improving them. However, unless doctors and other white collar pros face threats from incoming immigrants, medical costs will continue to rise more and be out of reach for regular people who have to compete with cheaper labor for jobs.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 21:27
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
The AMA doesn't want competition.
It is something more than residency requirements though. Canadian doctors do not have this requirement. I would think that would cause every doctor there to set up shop here.
There is nothing stopping a state from granting licenses to foreign doctors.
It is something more than residency requirements though. Canadian doctors do not have this requirement. I would think that would cause every doctor there to set up shop here.
There is nothing stopping a state from granting licenses to foreign doctors.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 20:48
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
Doctors in the US average about the same $ as a senior software engineer, but with much more expensive education, expensive malpractice insurance, grueling hours, and austere work environments. Why would we want to lower their salaries so that they make what a UK doctor makes, without UK hours and benefits? No. People will just go into other fields.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 15:24
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
How much does it cost for the schooling to become a doctor abroad?
Anonymous
08/26/2023 15:19
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
Anonymous wrote:Do they fear lower wage competition from immigrant doctors? My guess is not because the US forces immigrant doctors to re-do residency. My understanding is that the process is costly and time consuming, so many do not. Is this a government requirement or is there some other reason? US docs make significantly more than those practicing abroad.
If it is a government issue, what earns doctors the privilege of protection versus other workers?
I’ve seen the state of medical education in my country of origin first-hand. I’m cool with the residency rules for foreign medical graduates who wish to practice in the US.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 14:31
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
No. It's more a matter of trusting licensure in other countries.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 11:23
Subject: Are licensed doctors practicing in the US really worth their wages versus those practicing abroad?
Do they fear lower wage competition from immigrant doctors? My guess is not because the US forces immigrant doctors to re-do residency. My understanding is that the process is costly and time consuming, so many do not. Is this a government requirement or is there some other reason? US docs make significantly more than those practicing abroad.
If it is a government issue, what earns doctors the privilege of protection versus other workers?
If it is a government issue, what earns doctors the privilege of protection versus other workers?