Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 14:45     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pretty people get better treatment. No longer being attractive to men, and becoming invisible, is hard for some women. Common sense.


One of the most liberating things about menopause to my thinking is having become largely invisible to men. Because of several health issues I also gained a lot of weight which I’m now steadily losing; I have some anxiety about the prospect of becoming visible again when my curvy figure comes back into view - but I’ve gone full salt and pepper and minimalist on makeup so I can hopefully deflect most interest.

I think the best years for a female are the first ten and the last 40-50 when they have the least to deal with the male gaze.


My mother is 78 and has had nothing done cosmetically and her hair is brown with a little bit of gray at the front. She dresses in Eileen Fisher and is probably 10 pounds overweight and is attractive but not a beauty. She is really, really smart and has a great sense of humor. Men fall all over her from every age. At weddings, she often ends up at a table surrounded by the young male friends of the bride and groom.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 14:41     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Anonymous wrote:Not buy into all that crap media sells women

saw 3 toddlers @ the park.
all wore frilly pink dresses, playing w dolls & mini strollers. boys play w trains, trucks & blocks
8 year olds in makeup is also part of the problem

it starts early






I was that mother who bought her son two Barbie dolls when he was 4 years old. When his boy playmates came to the house, they would hold the Barbie dolls horizontally and shoot each other with them like guns.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 14:03     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Anonymous wrote:Not buy into all that crap media sells women

saw 3 toddlers @ the park.
all wore frilly pink dresses, playing w dolls & mini strollers. boys play w trains, trucks & blocks
8 year olds in makeup is also part of the problem

it starts early



+1
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 13:19     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Botox in my 11's helped my RBF. People treat me better now that I don't look angry all the time (understandably!), and the lessening isolation has eased my depression. I'm sorry but I cannot see this as a bad decision.


I think if you did not feel a societal pressure or possible solution to your 11s, then you would accept them as is.

The problem is selfies, filters, photoshop etc making us all have a false image of what women look like. Everyone is busy trying to keep up with each other.


I have no issues with them. I have issues with how people treat me when I look "intimidating."
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 13:15     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Anonymous wrote:Pretty people get better treatment. No longer being attractive to men, and becoming invisible, is hard for some women. Common sense.


One of the most liberating things about menopause to my thinking is having become largely invisible to men. Because of several health issues I also gained a lot of weight which I’m now steadily losing; I have some anxiety about the prospect of becoming visible again when my curvy figure comes back into view - but I’ve gone full salt and pepper and minimalist on makeup so I can hopefully deflect most interest.

I think the best years for a female are the first ten and the last 40-50 when they have the least to deal with the male gaze.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 12:53     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Anonymous wrote:Botox in my 11's helped my RBF. People treat me better now that I don't look angry all the time (understandably!), and the lessening isolation has eased my depression. I'm sorry but I cannot see this as a bad decision.


I think if you did not feel a societal pressure or possible solution to your 11s, then you would accept them as is.

The problem is selfies, filters, photoshop etc making us all have a false image of what women look like. Everyone is busy trying to keep up with each other.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 12:51     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a group of medical professionals and consensus were that women who get several cosmetic procedures done, tend to have a higher rate of depression, self-esteem issues, relationship problems and even suicide.

Do you feel our society's obsession with beauty and youth, pushes women into these mental health issues? What can be done to help women value themselves more than their looks and years?


Not clear which is causal. Do women with higher rates if depression and self esteem issues feel worse about their looks because of the mental illness, or vice versa?
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 12:49     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Emphasis is on multiple procedures not one off.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 12:41     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Botox in my 11's helped my RBF. People treat me better now that I don't look angry all the time (understandably!), and the lessening isolation has eased my depression. I'm sorry but I cannot see this as a bad decision.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 12:27     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Pretty people get better treatment. No longer being attractive to men, and becoming invisible, is hard for some women. Common sense.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 12:21     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not buy into all that crap media sells women

saw 3 toddlers @ the park.
all wore frilly pink dresses, playing w dolls & mini strollers. boys play w trains, trucks & blocks
8 year olds in makeup is also part of the problem

it starts early



I don’t see why playing with dolls and strollers is relevant. There is nothing inherently better about playing with trucks vs dolls. Stop being sexist.


Both genders should get access to both kind of toys as both need to drive, have careers and raise families.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 04:06     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Anonymous wrote:Not buy into all that crap media sells women

saw 3 toddlers @ the park.
all wore frilly pink dresses, playing w dolls & mini strollers. boys play w trains, trucks & blocks
8 year olds in makeup is also part of the problem

it starts early



I don’t see why playing with dolls and strollers is relevant. There is nothing inherently better about playing with trucks vs dolls. Stop being sexist.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 03:21     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Not buy into all that crap media sells women

saw 3 toddlers @ the park.
all wore frilly pink dresses, playing w dolls & mini strollers. boys play w trains, trucks & blocks
8 year olds in makeup is also part of the problem

it starts early



Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 00:41     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a group of medical professionals and consensus were that women who get several cosmetic procedures done, tend to have a higher rate of depression, self-esteem issues, relationship problems and even suicide.

Do you feel our society's obsession with beauty and youth, pushes women into these mental health issues? What can be done to help women value themselves more than their looks and years?


Yes, this has been widely known for decades.

Encourage lesbianism? I don't know. I doubt anything can be done.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2023 00:33     Subject: Cosmetic procedures, depression & suicide
I was talking to a group of medical professionals and consensus were that women who get several cosmetic procedures done, tend to have a higher rate of depression, self-esteem issues, relationship problems and even suicide.

Do you feel our society's obsession with beauty and youth, pushes women into these mental health issues? What can be done to help women value themselves more than their looks and years?