Anonymous
07/31/2023 20:12
Subject: Rogue Pope
St Augustine had no problem with abortion
Anonymous
07/31/2023 20:09
Subject: Rogue Pope
Anonymous wrote:A Pope who endorsed the admission of women to Holy Orders and/or procured abortion and/or sacramental marriage between persons of the same sex would by that act become a material heretic and ipsofacto cease to be Pope.
The pope can modify celibacy requirements for secular priests (those not a part of a religious order with a separate vow of chastity) at any time. Celibacy is a discipline, not an ontological part of the priestly state.
This is not technically true. All of these issues are debated and some have been different within the Church at different times in history.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 20:07
Subject: Rogue Pope
Pro choice is a U.S. politics thing. Lots of Catholics are politically pro choice, even if they would not choose an abortion personally.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 19:50
Subject: Re:Rogue Pope
Many of the rule made by Pooes were rogue.
Abortion was not a sin until 1500’s and many did not agree, and still don’t.
Priest only became celibate to protect the churches assets from wives and children. Agains pope made that rogue rule not Jesus.
Abortion was not a sin until 1500’s and many did not agree, and still don’t.
Priest only became celibate to protect the churches assets from wives and children. Agains pope made that rogue rule not Jesus.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 19:30
Subject: Rogue Pope
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A Pope who endorsed the admission of women to Holy Orders and/or procured abortion and/or sacramental marriage between persons of the same sex would by that act become a material heretic and ipsofacto cease to be Pope.
The pope can modify celibacy requirements for secular priests (those not a part of a religious order with a separate vow of chastity) at any time. Celibacy is a discipline, not an ontological part of the priestly state.
When has that ever happened? And over the last 2000 years there have been some pretty bad popes.
And as bad as they were personally, even they knew better than to try tampering with doctrine
Popes and the Church have made plenty of changes to doctrine over the years. The Earth revolving around the sun and the Immaculate Conception and mass in vernacular languages, are all examples.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 19:25
Subject: Rogue Pope
Anonymous wrote:I think PP gave the answer — there would be a schism with some percentage of the church declaring the pope a heretic and picking a new guy for themselves. I would actually be really curious to see how that would break down. I was a devout Catholic for the first 45 years of my life but I just feel like the Church is so moribund that I cannot find any inspiration or grace in it at the moment.
I’m also a bit curious whether Pp that posted on doctrine is the SSPX poster that pops up everytime there’s a Catholic thread. He has strong views.
We essentially have a schism in the Anglican community in the US now. If you want to know more, look at the litigation that resulted in The Falls Church Episcopal and The Falls Church Anglican and their separate communities. Litigation over the historic property went all the way up to the Supreme Court -- it was over the ordination of a gay bishop in the Episcopal Church.
It would be more of a catastrophic earthquake in the RC church if a pope were to 'go rogue" like this, though.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 18:39
Subject: Rogue Pope
I think PP gave the answer — there would be a schism with some percentage of the church declaring the pope a heretic and picking a new guy for themselves. I would actually be really curious to see how that would break down. I was a devout Catholic for the first 45 years of my life but I just feel like the Church is so moribund that I cannot find any inspiration or grace in it at the moment.
I’m also a bit curious whether Pp that posted on doctrine is the SSPX poster that pops up everytime there’s a Catholic thread. He has strong views.
I’m also a bit curious whether Pp that posted on doctrine is the SSPX poster that pops up everytime there’s a Catholic thread. He has strong views.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 18:31
Subject: Rogue Pope
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A Pope who endorsed the admission of women to Holy Orders and/or procured abortion and/or sacramental marriage between persons of the same sex would by that act become a material heretic and ipsofacto cease to be Pope.
The pope can modify celibacy requirements for secular priests (those not a part of a religious order with a separate vow of chastity) at any time. Celibacy is a discipline, not an ontological part of the priestly state.
When has that ever happened? And over the last 2000 years there have been some pretty bad popes.
And as bad as they were personally, even they knew better than to try tampering with doctrine
Anonymous
07/31/2023 17:15
Subject: Rogue Pope
Anonymous wrote:A Pope who endorsed the admission of women to Holy Orders and/or procured abortion and/or sacramental marriage between persons of the same sex would by that act become a material heretic and ipsofacto cease to be Pope.
The pope can modify celibacy requirements for secular priests (those not a part of a religious order with a separate vow of chastity) at any time. Celibacy is a discipline, not an ontological part of the priestly state.
When has that ever happened? And over the last 2000 years there have been some pretty bad popes.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 17:00
Subject: Rogue Pope
A Pope who endorsed the admission of women to Holy Orders and/or procured abortion and/or sacramental marriage between persons of the same sex would by that act become a material heretic and ipsofacto cease to be Pope.
The pope can modify celibacy requirements for secular priests (those not a part of a religious order with a separate vow of chastity) at any time. Celibacy is a discipline, not an ontological part of the priestly state.
The pope can modify celibacy requirements for secular priests (those not a part of a religious order with a separate vow of chastity) at any time. Celibacy is a discipline, not an ontological part of the priestly state.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 16:27
Subject: Rogue Pope
Anonymous wrote:It would be a dream come true.
Are you Catholic?
Anonymous
07/31/2023 16:26
Subject: Rogue Pope
It would be a dream come true.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 16:25
Subject: Rogue Pope
Anonymous wrote:What would happen if there was a Pope who just went rogue? Female clergy, clergy can marry, gay marriage, pro choice the whole enchilada.
Chances are, such a person would not get elected. However if he did, I'd guess some Catholics would be very happy and others very sad/angry.
I think the sad/angry people would win and the Church would become more conservative and many Catholics would leave either to become some kind of liberal protestant, start their own "Nouveau" Catholic Church, or just stop going to church entirely.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 16:21
Subject: Rogue Pope
He would likely be assassinated from the inside.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 16:18
Subject: Rogue Pope
What would happen if there was a Pope who just went rogue? Female clergy, clergy can marry, gay marriage, pro choice the whole enchilada.