NVSL is so bonkers compared to MCSL

MCSL:

"Division assignments are determined by a computerized swim-off. The median of the top 3 times from each team for each event from every dual meet is
computed. Using these 3 times, each team is then swum against all other teams. Placement for the subsequent year is based on the number of wins, with ties
broken by total points scored. No allowance is made for aging up or other potential changes. "

And that's it!
And it's already been done, except for teams who might not return or new pools that might join.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And you care why? It’s a summer rec league for white suburban kids so they don’t drive their mothers crazy at home. It’s not the Olympic tryouts.

Oh shut up. If you don’t want to discuss it just don’t respond and scroll on by.

To the op- there are lots of factors that go into it. Record is part of it. Overall ‘time in water’ is part of it. The team reps do a seeding survey where they talk about whether they think their team is better in even or odd years and how their record may or may not reflect their ability. If you look back a few years ago swim ninja did an interview with the NVSL official in charge of seeding, Chris Mack.

Type A Mom has entered the room.

Anonymous wrote:Wow so someone is looking at individual kid times from each pool and comparing them to each other? Or they use relays or divisionals as a proxy?

I think they add up your total time, it gives an idea of the depth of the team.

Anonymous wrote:Wow so someone is looking at individual kid times from each pool and comparing them to each other? Or they use relays or divisionals as a proxy?

My understanding is that they also look at the virtual meets.

Anonymous wrote:Wow so someone is looking at individual kid times from each pool and comparing them to each other? Or they use relays or divisionals as a proxy?

It's more of the team reps making their case. Yes, you can have a prideful team rep keeping a pool in a division they no longer belong in and you can also have team reps who sandbag to win by dropping down either when they shouldn't or further than they should, but it seems to work for the most part.

The form Team Reps fill out tells you the factors the committee considers. It's here: https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36063/TR_Meet_by_Meet_Survey__for_2024_Seeding_Paper_Form_docx

Wow so someone is looking at individual kid times from each pool and comparing them to each other? Or they use relays or divisionals as a proxy?

Anonymous wrote:And you care why? It’s a summer rec league for white suburban kids so they don’t drive their mothers crazy at home. It’s not the Olympic tryouts.

Oh shut up. If you don’t want to discuss it just don’t respond and scroll on by.

To the op- there are lots of factors that go into it. Record is part of it. Overall ‘time in water’ is part of it. The team reps do a seeding survey where they talk about whether they think their team is better in even or odd years and how their record may or may not reflect their ability. If you look back a few years ago swim ninja did an interview with the NVSL official in charge of seeding, Chris Mack.

This podcast describes the seeding process: https://www.stitcher.com/show/swim-ninja-podcast-network/episode/shave-and-taper-2019-divisional-picks-with-chris-mack-62092051

Team Reps complete a form at the end of the season that goes into the mix. Reps should indicate if they are losing swimmers who scored a lot of points (either seniors or people they know are moving) and whether they had a high number of point-getters at the top or bottom of their age brackets.

If you won your division, you should expect to move up (maybe even 2). If you came in last, you should expect to move down (also maybe 2). if you came in 2nd or 4th, it's a crapshoot, highly dependent on how your team completes the seeding form.

It's not the record, it's swimmers' times that dictate the seeding.

Look at the records of divisions 16 and 17 in 2022. 0-5 team in division 16 remained in division 16 in 2023, and division 17's 5-0 team still in the same division in 2023.

JFC the season isn't fully over yet. Chill out. It's summer swim.

Because I'm bored at work, just like everyone else posting on here.

And you care why? It’s a summer rec league for white suburban kids so they don’t drive their mothers crazy at home. It’s not the Olympic tryouts.

Relatively new to this. I know the seeding meeting doesn't happen until spring 2024 in NVSL, but what is the standard process: do most teams that were 5-0 move up at least one division? do teams that were 0-5 move down? What about those that are 4-1 and 1-4?

Do they usually try to hold three teams steady in each division?