Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:42
Subject: States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
Anonymous wrote:Yes!!! I have perfect test scores and gpa and like to torture animals in my spare time. This would be the best thing for college admissions.
Nope. We need people with perfect GPAs and a 'matching' SAT after 15 tries, and ECs that they didn't even do or parents paid for them. When in reality they are nothing more than someone with a poor GPA and poor SAT who likes to torture animals in secret.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:40
Subject: Re:States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
Anonymous wrote:How do you begin to standardize GPAs?
My one kid goes to a DCPS high school where he is getting a 4.7 (4.0 unweighted) for pretty much breathing.
My other kid goes to NCS where she has done about 5 times the work of her brother for an unweighted 3.6 (and there is no weighting for honors or APs beyond this and limited APs even offered).
Let's have an AP-like exam for all subjects. That standard enough for you? Not that difficult to do, you know.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:38
Subject: Re:States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
Anonymous wrote:It seems like some people just want to ban black and brown students from ever attending college (as was the case in the past). That would solve all these issues.
Wut? Are you implying that Black and Brown students are incapable of a high GPA or test score? You want to be their "patron saint" just so you can feel good?
Your racism shows!
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:38
Subject: States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
GPA is the worst tool to use to compare kids across schools, even within schools.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:33
Subject: States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
Are you one of those people who think the American way is always the best way? We need to stop being so arrogant and consider that other countries may actually (gasp!) have something to teach us.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:States could require the use of standardized testing and codify admissions criteria, including requiring transparency and annual certifications from school officials.
For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.
Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.
https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/
So, more or less import the Chinese civil service examination policy, where your scores determine your position in life?
Sure. I guess we could do that.
But, I guess if you're privileged and the current system is set up to pass privilege from parent to child, then everything works fine, right?
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:26
Subject: Re:States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
It seems like some people just want to ban black and brown students from ever attending college (as was the case in the past). That would solve all these issues.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:25
Subject: Re:States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
Anonymous wrote:How do you begin to standardize GPAs?
My one kid goes to a DCPS high school where he is getting a 4.7 (4.0 unweighted) for pretty much breathing.
My other kid goes to NCS where she has done about 5 times the work of her brother for an unweighted 3.6 (and there is no weighting for honors or APs beyond this and limited APs even offered).
+1. We see similar differences between my kids' high schools (kid A had 3.4uw/1500, kid B 4.0uw/1550). Moreover, even kids in the same high school take different courses and teachers. It is simply not possible to standardize GPAs, even though most in this forum and the entire college admissions world treat GPA as though it were a standardized metric. Lots of song and dance about considering kid's transcript in the context of the high school, and how well the AOs supposedly know each school, but it just isn't true to the extent people think. Ultimately, GPA is not objective. It's fuzzy.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:20
Subject: States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
Yes!!! I have perfect test scores and gpa and like to torture animals in my spare time. This would be the best thing for college admissions.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:18
Subject: States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
Anonymous wrote:States could require the use of standardized testing and codify admissions criteria, including requiring transparency and annual certifications from school officials.
For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.
Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.
https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/
So, more or less import the Chinese civil service examination policy, where your scores determine your position in life?
Sure. I guess we could do that.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:14
Subject: Re:States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
How do you begin to standardize GPAs?
My one kid goes to a DCPS high school where he is getting a 4.7 (4.0 unweighted) for pretty much breathing.
My other kid goes to NCS where she has done about 5 times the work of her brother for an unweighted 3.6 (and there is no weighting for honors or APs beyond this and limited APs even offered).
My one kid goes to a DCPS high school where he is getting a 4.7 (4.0 unweighted) for pretty much breathing.
My other kid goes to NCS where she has done about 5 times the work of her brother for an unweighted 3.6 (and there is no weighting for honors or APs beyond this and limited APs even offered).
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:08
Subject: States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
Great idea. I’d support that 100%.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:03
Subject: States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
State universities could choose this. But privates? Doubtful. Plus, do you really want the govt further involved in admissions?
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:01
Subject: States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
^^ PP again. One more. I realize this is a conservative rag that's proposing this hence the 'state's right' BS. This should a federal law so it's uniform across all colleges across the country.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 11:00
Subject: States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
Anonymous wrote:States could require the use of standardized testing and codify admissions criteria, including requiring transparency and annual certifications from school officials.
For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.
Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.
https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/
They should absolutely do this! In addition, they should also cap tuition increases to a rate that brings it back into alignment with CPI or other accepted measure of inflation; cap the size of endowments to no more than, say, 3 times annual tuition of the collective student body. Anything more should be used to subsidize tuition across the board (and yes, laws can be put in place to do this), and all colleges that have been around for more than, say 7 years, should pay federal, state and local taxes (I'd say make this the law for all non-profits; you've no reason to exist if you can't turn a profit after 7 years of running a business).
Anonymous
07/16/2023 10:40
Subject: States could take over college admissions to preserve race-neutrality
States could require the use of standardized testing and codify admissions criteria, including requiring transparency and annual certifications from school officials.
For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.
Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.
https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/
For example, a state could publish an admission grid, wherein applicants are placed into “bands” based on the combination of their standardized scores and grade point averages. They could then allow for other factors to be given a set amount of weight to adjust the ranking in each band based on extracurricular or individual accomplishments. This could be limited to, for example, a 10 or 15 percent step-up from the baseline score in ranking.
Offers of admission would then be based on the ranking, made on a rolling basis downward to fill available seats.
https://thehill.com/opinion/4098712-nuclear-option-have-states-take-over-college-admissions-to-preserve-race-neutrality/