Anonymous
Post 07/06/2023 20:38     Subject: Nutrition info at restaurants - suggestion for law

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some restaurant do this already - fast food restaurants and big chain restaurants like Cheesecake Factory. For smaller restaurants, they often operate differently - they don’t order their ingredients in bulk from Sysco or us foods. They don’t have as many ingredients that are shelf stable or can sit for days in the walk in without going bad. They tend to order their stuff from the local farm or specialized purveyors and much if it is perishable. Menu items change and can be seasonal or just dependent on what’s on hand.

As an owner of independent restaurants, I think it definitely can be done, and it’s easier for some places. For example, restaurants that rely on assembling their dishes have an easier time, but restaurants that rely on multi step processes have a harder time. The Mexican taquerias where each item is a different combo of 20 different ingredients can give you the allergens of each component.

Restaurants that have rapidly changing menus and complicated items where prep may start a few days beforehand can produce charts, but menu prices would rise to compensate for the time spent reviewing allergens from increased cost of ordering and storing extra food to make sure menu items are uniform, extra equipment to make sure there is no contamination, ie redundant fryers, and renting/buying extra kitchen space to accommodate all of the above.

At the same time, menus would include fewer or no daily specials or seasonal items because it would be very hard to apply the same level of scrutiny to an item that is only on the menu for a day. This is the reason there are no daily specials at Cheesecake Factory.

As a restaurant owner AND a mom of a kid with nut and egg allergies, I know a lot of people feel the same way as you do. The way I think it works the best, is when restaurants are dedicated to be free of certain allergens, or have a dedicated allergy free menu that accompanies the regular menu. I think more and more, we will see allergy free menus at even the fancy restaurants. We will also see more chefs who have allergies themselves, or have loved ones with allergies, which will also drive progress.



I think it would be more useful to try to identify why more and more people have allergies and work to prevent them.


You might not like the solution. A leading theory is that we have more allergies because we get fewer parasites after achieving sanitation standards. Kids in parts of Africa have peanut allergies and eczema after clean water was introduced - conditions that were pretty much unheard of in an area where peanuts are a chief source of nutrition.

https://www.science.org/content/article/got-allergies-blame-parasites
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2023 19:45     Subject: Nutrition info at restaurants - suggestion for law

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some restaurant do this already - fast food restaurants and big chain restaurants like Cheesecake Factory. For smaller restaurants, they often operate differently - they don’t order their ingredients in bulk from Sysco or us foods. They don’t have as many ingredients that are shelf stable or can sit for days in the walk in without going bad. They tend to order their stuff from the local farm or specialized purveyors and much if it is perishable. Menu items change and can be seasonal or just dependent on what’s on hand.

As an owner of independent restaurants, I think it definitely can be done, and it’s easier for some places. For example, restaurants that rely on assembling their dishes have an easier time, but restaurants that rely on multi step processes have a harder time. The Mexican taquerias where each item is a different combo of 20 different ingredients can give you the allergens of each component.

Restaurants that have rapidly changing menus and complicated items where prep may start a few days beforehand can produce charts, but menu prices would rise to compensate for the time spent reviewing allergens from increased cost of ordering and storing extra food to make sure menu items are uniform, extra equipment to make sure there is no contamination, ie redundant fryers, and renting/buying extra kitchen space to accommodate all of the above.

At the same time, menus would include fewer or no daily specials or seasonal items because it would be very hard to apply the same level of scrutiny to an item that is only on the menu for a day. This is the reason there are no daily specials at Cheesecake Factory.

As a restaurant owner AND a mom of a kid with nut and egg allergies, I know a lot of people feel the same way as you do. The way I think it works the best, is when restaurants are dedicated to be free of certain allergens, or have a dedicated allergy free menu that accompanies the regular menu. I think more and more, we will see allergy free menus at even the fancy restaurants. We will also see more chefs who have allergies themselves, or have loved ones with allergies, which will also drive progress.



I think it would be more useful to try to identify why more and more people have allergies and work to prevent them.


How is it either/or?
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2023 12:35     Subject: Nutrition info at restaurants - suggestion for law

Anonymous wrote:Some restaurant do this already - fast food restaurants and big chain restaurants like Cheesecake Factory. For smaller restaurants, they often operate differently - they don’t order their ingredients in bulk from Sysco or us foods. They don’t have as many ingredients that are shelf stable or can sit for days in the walk in without going bad. They tend to order their stuff from the local farm or specialized purveyors and much if it is perishable. Menu items change and can be seasonal or just dependent on what’s on hand.

As an owner of independent restaurants, I think it definitely can be done, and it’s easier for some places. For example, restaurants that rely on assembling their dishes have an easier time, but restaurants that rely on multi step processes have a harder time. The Mexican taquerias where each item is a different combo of 20 different ingredients can give you the allergens of each component.

Restaurants that have rapidly changing menus and complicated items where prep may start a few days beforehand can produce charts, but menu prices would rise to compensate for the time spent reviewing allergens from increased cost of ordering and storing extra food to make sure menu items are uniform, extra equipment to make sure there is no contamination, ie redundant fryers, and renting/buying extra kitchen space to accommodate all of the above.

At the same time, menus would include fewer or no daily specials or seasonal items because it would be very hard to apply the same level of scrutiny to an item that is only on the menu for a day. This is the reason there are no daily specials at Cheesecake Factory.

As a restaurant owner AND a mom of a kid with nut and egg allergies, I know a lot of people feel the same way as you do. The way I think it works the best, is when restaurants are dedicated to be free of certain allergens, or have a dedicated allergy free menu that accompanies the regular menu. I think more and more, we will see allergy free menus at even the fancy restaurants. We will also see more chefs who have allergies themselves, or have loved ones with allergies, which will also drive progress.



I think it would be more useful to try to identify why more and more people have allergies and work to prevent them.
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2023 12:20     Subject: Re:Nutrition info at restaurants - suggestion for law

The reason we have it at all is Obamacare. It required chain restaurants to provide such info. Non-chain restaurants did not (regulatory burden).
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2023 12:16     Subject: Nutrition info at restaurants - suggestion for law

Anonymous wrote:It's too hard for restaurants b/c a lot of entrées are "complicated" and are truly a mixture of a whole bunch of ingredients which are made up of other ingredients.
Any nutritional info they attempt to patch together would be inaccurate anyway.


On your situation, why not just have a list of things you CAN eat instead of foods you can't. It might be easier that way.
And look at the menu prior to going


Was thinking about your response.
These are already restaurants with the information published.

What I would like is for the info be to easier to compare/sort/navigate. Or scrape, and put into my own excel sheet.

Try it, it’s basically impossible.
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2023 11:39     Subject: Nutrition info at restaurants - suggestion for law

Some restaurant do this already - fast food restaurants and big chain restaurants like Cheesecake Factory. For smaller restaurants, they often operate differently - they don’t order their ingredients in bulk from Sysco or us foods. They don’t have as many ingredients that are shelf stable or can sit for days in the walk in without going bad. They tend to order their stuff from the local farm or specialized purveyors and much if it is perishable. Menu items change and can be seasonal or just dependent on what’s on hand.

As an owner of independent restaurants, I think it definitely can be done, and it’s easier for some places. For example, restaurants that rely on assembling their dishes have an easier time, but restaurants that rely on multi step processes have a harder time. The Mexican taquerias where each item is a different combo of 20 different ingredients can give you the allergens of each component.

Restaurants that have rapidly changing menus and complicated items where prep may start a few days beforehand can produce charts, but menu prices would rise to compensate for the time spent reviewing allergens from increased cost of ordering and storing extra food to make sure menu items are uniform, extra equipment to make sure there is no contamination, ie redundant fryers, and renting/buying extra kitchen space to accommodate all of the above.

At the same time, menus would include fewer or no daily specials or seasonal items because it would be very hard to apply the same level of scrutiny to an item that is only on the menu for a day. This is the reason there are no daily specials at Cheesecake Factory.

As a restaurant owner AND a mom of a kid with nut and egg allergies, I know a lot of people feel the same way as you do. The way I think it works the best, is when restaurants are dedicated to be free of certain allergens, or have a dedicated allergy free menu that accompanies the regular menu. I think more and more, we will see allergy free menus at even the fancy restaurants. We will also see more chefs who have allergies themselves, or have loved ones with allergies, which will also drive progress.

Anonymous
Post 07/06/2023 09:47     Subject: Nutrition info at restaurants - suggestion for law

It's too hard for restaurants b/c a lot of entrées are "complicated" and are truly a mixture of a whole bunch of ingredients which are made up of other ingredients.
Any nutritional info they attempt to patch together would be inaccurate anyway.


On your situation, why not just have a list of things you CAN eat instead of foods you can't. It might be easier that way.
And look at the menu prior to going
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2023 09:35     Subject: Nutrition info at restaurants - suggestion for law

If you want health food then eat at home.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2023 18:16     Subject: Nutrition info at restaurants - suggestion for law

Is the next step for restaurant nutrition information.. having it be comparable/usable data?

I feel like this should be part of the laws and requirements for publishing nutrition data. If they already have the info out there, they should make it easier to navigate.

I know for a fact they make it hard to “scrape” from the web.

Sometimes my dietary needs are low sugar and wheat-free. Not all the time, but when I am having flare ups for my condition.

I try to compare vast tables. I can do it by sight. I can do it by print-out and highlighter. I can copy/paste and spend an hour cleaning up the table.

Why don’t restaurants make this easier to scrape and filter in tables? They make it hard on purpose. If they are required to publish, they should be required to publish tables that are copy-able/manageable.

Thank you for your time.