Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:54     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
Anonymous wrote:Half of the people trying to join the Army can’t pass the ASVAB. That is the main issue.



Not as masculine as they used to be.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:52     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
Half of the people trying to join the Army can’t pass the ASVAB. That is the main issue.

Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:44     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP your summary doesn’t match the article.

Second, I’m a liberal whose father served in the Korean War in the Air Force. I took the ASVAB and did well. The only job they had for me was medic. This was in the late 80s during the draw down. I ended up not enlisting. The Gulf War happened 6 months later.

Why I am against my daughter enlisting. I work with many former military. It doesn’t seem like a welcoming place for women. The sexual assault numbers are terrible and it’s a hostile environment for women. I also one who associates the military with the Insurrection (as the article mentioned) and the 3%, Proud Boys, and Oath Keepers. I see it as a proxy for the White Supremacy/Neo Nazi movement…Especially when there is any sort of backlash toward DEI the military undertakes.

See but you and I (I think I was the second to reply) read the article and your experience is largely what the article about. I don’t like WSJ but OP should have at least read it.



I completely agree but this is actually quite common on DCUMs. People post inflammatory topics yet fail to read the article or the other theory I have been wondering about is perhaps they are completely wedded to their belief system and can’t except the nuanced arguments within an article.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:40     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
Anonymous wrote:
Vast majority with warrior skills are masculine. Masculinity is highly correlated with conservative values. Military becoming hostile to conservative values. Warriors don’t see the military as prestigious anymore.


Disagree. It’s completely associated with neo nazi/white supremacy and misogyny.

The whole concept of masculinity has not evolved like femininity, thanks to feminists, so men are struggling with identity these days. You’re clearly older.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:32     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.

Vast majority with warrior skills are masculine. Masculinity is highly correlated with conservative values. Military becoming hostile to conservative values. Warriors don’t see the military as prestigious anymore.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:28     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.

DC warmonger planners never let their kids in combat. Worst people on earth.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:28     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
Anonymous wrote:OP your summary doesn’t match the article.

Second, I’m a liberal whose father served in the Korean War in the Air Force. I took the ASVAB and did well. The only job they had for me was medic. This was in the late 80s during the draw down. I ended up not enlisting. The Gulf War happened 6 months later.

Why I am against my daughter enlisting. I work with many former military. It doesn’t seem like a welcoming place for women. The sexual assault numbers are terrible and it’s a hostile environment for women. I also one who associates the military with the Insurrection (as the article mentioned) and the 3%, Proud Boys, and Oath Keepers. I see it as a proxy for the White Supremacy/Neo Nazi movement…Especially when there is any sort of backlash toward DEI the military undertakes.

See but you and I (I think I was the second to reply) read the article and your experience is largely what the article about. I don’t like WSJ but OP should have at least read it.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:23     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
OP your summary doesn’t match the article.

Second, I’m a liberal whose father served in the Korean War in the Air Force. I took the ASVAB and did well. The only job they had for me was medic. This was in the late 80s during the draw down. I ended up not enlisting. The Gulf War happened 6 months later.

Why I am against my daughter enlisting. I work with many former military. It doesn’t seem like a welcoming place for women. The sexual assault numbers are terrible and it’s a hostile environment for women. I also one who associates the military with the Insurrection (as the article mentioned) and the 3%, Proud Boys, and Oath Keepers. I see it as a proxy for the White Supremacy/Neo Nazi movement…Especially when there is any sort of backlash toward DEI the military undertakes.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:22     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
Anonymous wrote:I read a similar article with stats, that around 25% of the military recruits come from families of the military. And they don't want their children serving.

Why do we need so many people in the military? Isn't only like 1% actually served in a combat role? The ones who serve in combat experience multiple lengthy deployments.

I also read somewhere, that experiencing combat isn't necessarily an indicator of later having PTSD.

The DoD is so bloated. That's what really needs to be fixed.

Shouldn't we have better technology to fight modern warfare? We couldn't defeat insurgents with their make shift home made low tech IEDs.


For preparedness and presence. One reason why we haven't had to send military into combat more is because we are already prepared and have a world wide presence.

Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:16     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
I read a similar article with stats, that around 25% of the military recruits come from families of the military. And they don't want their children serving.

Why do we need so many people in the military? Isn't only like 1% actually served in a combat role? The ones who serve in combat experience multiple lengthy deployments.

I also read somewhere, that experiencing combat isn't necessarily an indicator of later having PTSD.

The DoD is so bloated. That's what really needs to be fixed.

Shouldn't we have better technology to fight modern warfare? We couldn't defeat insurgents with their make shift home made low tech IEDs.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:03     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
Anonymous wrote:
The young people are also out of shape at higher levels than prior generations and not qualified.


A ban re conditions requiring daily use of medication could be another. Maybe we should reevaluate for example the requirement that anyone with ADHD not have any accommodations for testing or have used medication in the past year.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 09:01     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
Anonymous wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/military-recruiting-crisis-veterans-dont-want-their-children-to-join-510e1a25?mod=djemalertNEWS

They leave out a main factor. Trump has made the rank and file conservatives (who were formerly pro military) anti war and anti woke. Liberals who are pro war now do not join the military and never have. Here we are with proxy WW3 in Europe and China on the move with our military shrinking.


Can you explain what you mean by this? Were conservatives "pro-woke" prior to 2016?
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 08:58     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.
Did you even read the article you linked to? It doesn’t seem like you did.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 08:57     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.

The young people are also out of shape at higher levels than prior generations and not qualified.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 08:52     Subject: Military recruiting crisis.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/military-recruiting-crisis-veterans-dont-want-their-children-to-join-510e1a25?mod=djemalertNEWS

They leave out a main factor. Trump has made the rank and file conservatives (who were formerly pro military) anti war and anti woke. Liberals who are pro war now do not join the military and never have. Here we are with proxy WW3 in Europe and China on the move with our military shrinking.