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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hit the wall and camps

So that makes sense for at-home work, but what about from the club perspective? How do the best clubs go about developing their players?

I'll give it a go. Two kids, one HS, one MS, played in Moco for the big clubs, both A and B teams.

Individual skills development is the responsibility of the player and by extension the parents. As early as 3rd/4th grade the player should be practicing technique on their own (rebounder, GBs, position specific skills, etc.). Past a certain point every player is expected to be able to play with both hands, catch and throw properly, and have sufficient technique to play their specific position. Lots of parents supplement the player's on-their-own work with private coaching and camps. It's expensive and psychotic but that's where we are.

Now on to the club perspective--if I were starting over and doing this again, what I would want from the club is a coherent playing philosophy, i.e, coaches that have a plan for specific, common game situations. Does the team work on a clearing play? Does it repeat that play enough in practices such that clearing isn't an issue in games? Do players in the clear know exactly where they're supposed to be and what their roles are? Repeat this for other situations--riding, man-up offense and defense, fast breaks/unsettled, etc. Essentially, is the team prepared to play an actual game?

The other thing I'd look for at club level would be player accountability...when players screw up one of those situations I mentioned above, are there consequences? I don't mean screaming/yelling, or benching a guy who makes one mistake--I mean, when a player, regardless of skill level, is consistently in the wrong place at the wrong time for any given situation, are they pulled from the game and replaced by another player, maybe less skillful, who knows what his job is and how to do it? Are attackers who consistently dodge into double and triple teams and lose ball pulled from the game? Are players who consistently take penalties and cause their team go a man down pulled from the game? Are poles who miss slides and cause a crease dunk goal pulled from the game?

All of this basically adds up what's loosely called "lax IQ" and to me that's the job of the coaches, and the responsibility of the players to execute a plan. There's waaaayyyyy too many teams where players play hero ball on offense, and make dumb mistakes on defense, and they stay on the field because they're the team's "studs" and the coach is afraid of antagonizing their parents.

Don't want to name names but there's a few prominent coaches out there who are great recruiters and are adept at poaching other clubs' players, but really aren't getting much out their various age groups because they don't care about actually coaching, they just want to list D1 recruits on their website. The real test of a good coach IMO is one that wins at a high school team--with a few exceptions you have to deal with the players you have on grade 10-12 and cannot just wholesale steal another, better team's squad. Some of these coaches simultaneously coach a HS team and club team and you can tell the difference because the HS performance is terrible.

Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, good player development looks like the Annapolis Hawks. It seems to me from observation that they develop their kids, but I do not have a kid in their program.
Good vs Bad.
Is there a practice plan? Good. Do they run three drills for half an hour each? Bad.
Do they have various parts of practice, stickwork, dodging, two-man games, odd man situations, riding and clearing? Good
Is there actual coaching going on? "Hey good job on this, do this to get better" Good
Are there lots of kids standing around for extended periods, while one coach goes over "The Offense" with the same six players? Bad.
Are lots of kids standing around shooting underhanded or sidearm crease cranks. Bad
Are lots of kids keeping their elbows close to their bodies, using the stick like a lever, with a push pull motion? Bad
Are lots of kids throwing using the stick as an extension of their arm and keeping their elbows away from their body, maybe even their top hand above their visor? Good
Is there good energy, and among the most important things, are most of the kids engaged and do they appear to be having fun? Very important.
Do the coaches emphasize character and teamwork, who is picking up the balls, who is moving the nets, how many kids touch the ball each possession.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hit the wall and camps

So that makes sense for at-home work, but what about from the club perspective? How do the best clubs go about developing their players?

I'll give it a go. Two kids, one HS, one MS, played in Moco for the big clubs, both A and B teams.

Individual skills development is the responsibility of the player and by extension the parents. As early as 3rd/4th grade the player should be practicing technique on their own (rebounder, GBs, position specific skills, etc.). Past a certain point every player is expected to be able to play with both hands, catch and throw properly, and have sufficient technique to play their specific position. Lots of parents supplement the player's on-their-own work with private coaching and camps. It's expensive and psychotic but that's where we are.

Now on to the club perspective--if I were starting over and doing this again, what I would want from the club is a coherent playing philosophy, i.e, coaches that have a plan for specific, common game situations. Does the team work on a clearing play? Does it repeat that play enough in practices such that clearing isn't an issue in games? Do players in the clear know exactly where they're supposed to be and what their roles are? Repeat this for other situations--riding, man-up offense and defense, fast breaks/unsettled, etc. Essentially, is the team prepared to play an actual game?

The other thing I'd look for at club level would be player accountability...when players screw up one of those situations I mentioned above, are there consequences? I don't mean screaming/yelling, or benching a guy who makes one mistake--I mean, when a player, regardless of skill level, is consistently in the wrong place at the wrong time for any given situation, are they pulled from the game and replaced by another player, maybe less skillful, who knows what his job is and how to do it? Are attackers who consistently dodge into double and triple teams and lose ball pulled from the game? Are players who consistently take penalties and cause their team go a man down pulled from the game? Are poles who miss slides and cause a crease dunk goal pulled from the game?

All of this basically adds up what's loosely called "lax IQ" and to me that's the job of the coaches, and the responsibility of the players to execute a plan. There's waaaayyyyy too many teams where players play hero ball on offense, and make dumb mistakes on defense, and they stay on the field because they're the team's "studs" and the coach is afraid of antagonizing their parents.

Don't want to name names but there's a few prominent coaches out there who are great recruiters and are adept at poaching other clubs' players, but really aren't getting much out their various age groups because they don't care about actually coaching, they just want to list D1 recruits on their website. The real test of a good coach IMO is one that wins at a high school team--with a few exceptions you have to deal with the players you have on grade 10-12 and cannot just wholesale steal another, better team's squad. Some of these coaches simultaneously coach a HS team and club team and you can tell the difference because the HS performance is terrible.

"the coach is afraid of antagonizing their parents" - this is 100% ruining lacrosse for kids. More and more, parents are dictating what they want to see in terms of player development and they want to define it their way. Parents think player development is defined solely by winning. I would say that a substantial part of player development rests on the shoulders of the individual player, and not the coach. Ask any standout college player what made them better than their peers and they will talk about hours spent practicing on their own, walking around with a stick in their hand, playing wall ball, etc.. Player development encompasses a lot of things but you need to have a player who is really committed to getting better in order to get the best out of the coaching they are given and to develop. Every player has their own benchmarks. But when they come together, can your kid play as a great teammate? Because that's how you win and that's how you develop. And at the end of the day, that's what college coaches want to see. There are plenty of kids that get recruited to play in college that aren't the top players but they are team players and contribute in quiet and substantial ways. Don't get caught up in defining what player development looks like. It's different for everyone....

This is one of the best entries I’ve ever seen on this site. All of it is spot on. Especially the “me ball” and the same players making the same mistakes - especially yellow cards. I can’t understand why coaches don’t pull kids aside after they take them out of the game and explain what they did wrong and what to do instead??? I see very little “coaching” on the sidelines??

As far as development, unfortunately, you’re not going to get much of that from the clubs. They are more about getting the better players together and playing in tournaments. You have to find someone to really teach them individual skills, dodging, shooting techniques, etc. It’s ridiculous because you end up paying once for the club then again for actual quality training. Lacrosse is a racket in these parts.

This is all great. I do think some clubs are better at developing specialists (e.g., goalie). Quality positional coaching as well as proper use of the goalie in practice (i.e., not as a crease crank target) makes a difference.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hit the wall and camps

So that makes sense for at-home work, but what about from the club perspective? How do the best clubs go about developing their players?

I'll give it a go. Two kids, one HS, one MS, played in Moco for the big clubs, both A and B teams.

Individual skills development is the responsibility of the player and by extension the parents. As early as 3rd/4th grade the player should be practicing technique on their own (rebounder, GBs, position specific skills, etc.). Past a certain point every player is expected to be able to play with both hands, catch and throw properly, and have sufficient technique to play their specific position. Lots of parents supplement the player's on-their-own work with private coaching and camps. It's expensive and psychotic but that's where we are.

Now on to the club perspective--if I were starting over and doing this again, what I would want from the club is a coherent playing philosophy, i.e, coaches that have a plan for specific, common game situations. Does the team work on a clearing play? Does it repeat that play enough in practices such that clearing isn't an issue in games? Do players in the clear know exactly where they're supposed to be and what their roles are? Repeat this for other situations--riding, man-up offense and defense, fast breaks/unsettled, etc. Essentially, is the team prepared to play an actual game?

The other thing I'd look for at club level would be player accountability...when players screw up one of those situations I mentioned above, are there consequences? I don't mean screaming/yelling, or benching a guy who makes one mistake--I mean, when a player, regardless of skill level, is consistently in the wrong place at the wrong time for any given situation, are they pulled from the game and replaced by another player, maybe less skillful, who knows what his job is and how to do it? Are attackers who consistently dodge into double and triple teams and lose ball pulled from the game? Are players who consistently take penalties and cause their team go a man down pulled from the game? Are poles who miss slides and cause a crease dunk goal pulled from the game?

All of this basically adds up what's loosely called "lax IQ" and to me that's the job of the coaches, and the responsibility of the players to execute a plan. There's waaaayyyyy too many teams where players play hero ball on offense, and make dumb mistakes on defense, and they stay on the field because they're the team's "studs" and the coach is afraid of antagonizing their parents.

Don't want to name names but there's a few prominent coaches out there who are great recruiters and are adept at poaching other clubs' players, but really aren't getting much out their various age groups because they don't care about actually coaching, they just want to list D1 recruits on their website. The real test of a good coach IMO is one that wins at a high school team--with a few exceptions you have to deal with the players you have on grade 10-12 and cannot just wholesale steal another, better team's squad. Some of these coaches simultaneously coach a HS team and club team and you can tell the difference because the HS performance is terrible.

"the coach is afraid of antagonizing their parents" - this is 100% ruining lacrosse for kids. More and more, parents are dictating what they want to see in terms of player development and they want to define it their way. Parents think player development is defined solely by winning. I would say that a substantial part of player development rests on the shoulders of the individual player, and not the coach. Ask any standout college player what made them better than their peers and they will talk about hours spent practicing on their own, walking around with a stick in their hand, playing wall ball, etc.. Player development encompasses a lot of things but you need to have a player who is really committed to getting better in order to get the best out of the coaching they are given and to develop. Every player has their own benchmarks. But when they come together, can your kid play as a great teammate? Because that's how you win and that's how you develop. And at the end of the day, that's what college coaches want to see. There are plenty of kids that get recruited to play in college that aren't the top players but they are team players and contribute in quiet and substantial ways. Don't get caught up in defining what player development looks like. It's different for everyone....

This is one of the best entries I’ve ever seen on this site. All of it is spot on. Especially the “me ball” and the same players making the same mistakes - especially yellow cards. I can’t understand why coaches don’t pull kids aside after they take them out of the game and explain what they did wrong and what to do instead??? I see very little “coaching” on the sidelines??

As far as development, unfortunately, you’re not going to get much of that from the clubs. They are more about getting the better players together and playing in tournaments. You have to find someone to really teach them individual skills, dodging, shooting techniques, etc. It’s ridiculous because you end up paying once for the club then again for actual quality training. Lacrosse is a racket in these parts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hit the wall and camps

So that makes sense for at-home work, but what about from the club perspective? How do the best clubs go about developing their players?

I'll give it a go. Two kids, one HS, one MS, played in Moco for the big clubs, both A and B teams.

Individual skills development is the responsibility of the player and by extension the parents. As early as 3rd/4th grade the player should be practicing technique on their own (rebounder, GBs, position specific skills, etc.). Past a certain point every player is expected to be able to play with both hands, catch and throw properly, and have sufficient technique to play their specific position. Lots of parents supplement the player's on-their-own work with private coaching and camps. It's expensive and psychotic but that's where we are.

Now on to the club perspective--if I were starting over and doing this again, what I would want from the club is a coherent playing philosophy, i.e, coaches that have a plan for specific, common game situations. Does the team work on a clearing play? Does it repeat that play enough in practices such that clearing isn't an issue in games? Do players in the clear know exactly where they're supposed to be and what their roles are? Repeat this for other situations--riding, man-up offense and defense, fast breaks/unsettled, etc. Essentially, is the team prepared to play an actual game?

The other thing I'd look for at club level would be player accountability...when players screw up one of those situations I mentioned above, are there consequences? I don't mean screaming/yelling, or benching a guy who makes one mistake--I mean, when a player, regardless of skill level, is consistently in the wrong place at the wrong time for any given situation, are they pulled from the game and replaced by another player, maybe less skillful, who knows what his job is and how to do it? Are attackers who consistently dodge into double and triple teams and lose ball pulled from the game? Are players who consistently take penalties and cause their team go a man down pulled from the game? Are poles who miss slides and cause a crease dunk goal pulled from the game?

All of this basically adds up what's loosely called "lax IQ" and to me that's the job of the coaches, and the responsibility of the players to execute a plan. There's waaaayyyyy too many teams where players play hero ball on offense, and make dumb mistakes on defense, and they stay on the field because they're the team's "studs" and the coach is afraid of antagonizing their parents.

Don't want to name names but there's a few prominent coaches out there who are great recruiters and are adept at poaching other clubs' players, but really aren't getting much out their various age groups because they don't care about actually coaching, they just want to list D1 recruits on their website. The real test of a good coach IMO is one that wins at a high school team--with a few exceptions you have to deal with the players you have on grade 10-12 and cannot just wholesale steal another, better team's squad. Some of these coaches simultaneously coach a HS team and club team and you can tell the difference because the HS performance is terrible.

"the coach is afraid of antagonizing their parents" - this is 100% ruining lacrosse for kids. More and more, parents are dictating what they want to see in terms of player development and they want to define it their way. Parents think player development is defined solely by winning. I would say that a substantial part of player development rests on the shoulders of the individual player, and not the coach. Ask any standout college player what made them better than their peers and they will talk about hours spent practicing on their own, walking around with a stick in their hand, playing wall ball, etc.. Player development encompasses a lot of things but you need to have a player who is really committed to getting better in order to get the best out of the coaching they are given and to develop. Every player has their own benchmarks. But when they come together, can your kid play as a great teammate? Because that's how you win and that's how you develop. And at the end of the day, that's what college coaches want to see. There are plenty of kids that get recruited to play in college that aren't the top players but they are team players and contribute in quiet and substantial ways. Don't get caught up in defining what player development looks like. It's different for everyone....

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hit the wall and camps

So that makes sense for at-home work, but what about from the club perspective? How do the best clubs go about developing their players?

I'll give it a go. Two kids, one HS, one MS, played in Moco for the big clubs, both A and B teams.

Individual skills development is the responsibility of the player and by extension the parents. As early as 3rd/4th grade the player should be practicing technique on their own (rebounder, GBs, position specific skills, etc.). Past a certain point every player is expected to be able to play with both hands, catch and throw properly, and have sufficient technique to play their specific position. Lots of parents supplement the player's on-their-own work with private coaching and camps. It's expensive and psychotic but that's where we are.

Now on to the club perspective--if I were starting over and doing this again, what I would want from the club is a coherent playing philosophy, i.e, coaches that have a plan for specific, common game situations. Does the team work on a clearing play? Does it repeat that play enough in practices such that clearing isn't an issue in games? Do players in the clear know exactly where they're supposed to be and what their roles are? Repeat this for other situations--riding, man-up offense and defense, fast breaks/unsettled, etc. Essentially, is the team prepared to play an actual game?

The other thing I'd look for at club level would be player accountability...when players screw up one of those situations I mentioned above, are there consequences? I don't mean screaming/yelling, or benching a guy who makes one mistake--I mean, when a player, regardless of skill level, is consistently in the wrong place at the wrong time for any given situation, are they pulled from the game and replaced by another player, maybe less skillful, who knows what his job is and how to do it? Are attackers who consistently dodge into double and triple teams and lose ball pulled from the game? Are players who consistently take penalties and cause their team go a man down pulled from the game? Are poles who miss slides and cause a crease dunk goal pulled from the game?

All of this basically adds up what's loosely called "lax IQ" and to me that's the job of the coaches, and the responsibility of the players to execute a plan. There's waaaayyyyy too many teams where players play hero ball on offense, and make dumb mistakes on defense, and they stay on the field because they're the team's "studs" and the coach is afraid of antagonizing their parents.

Don't want to name names but there's a few prominent coaches out there who are great recruiters and are adept at poaching other clubs' players, but really aren't getting much out their various age groups because they don't care about actually coaching, they just want to list D1 recruits on their website. The real test of a good coach IMO is one that wins at a high school team--with a few exceptions you have to deal with the players you have on grade 10-12 and cannot just wholesale steal another, better team's squad. Some of these coaches simultaneously coach a HS team and club team and you can tell the difference because the HS performance is terrible.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hit the wall and camps

So that makes sense for at-home work, but what about from the club perspective? How do the best clubs go about developing their players?

Anonymous wrote:Hit the wall and camps