Less, the second tier elite (Vandy, ND, Emory) etc have siphoned off a lot of Ivy bound/ Ivy caliber students with ED and scholarships. Also some ivys have declined in quality like Columbia and Cornell. I think the next ranking in a few months will be eye opening.

Anonymous wrote:less popular -

the word is out that select flagship publics offer the best blend of academics and lifestyle with a large enough student body for fun.

The ivies are seen as woke and/or grindy

People who are looking for that never seriously considered Ivy League schools. Not now. Not 30 years ago.

Ivy League acceptances aren’t in the low single digits because they reduced the class size…it’s because applications keep increasing to a new record every year. So, no they aren’t less popular.

That said…probably the top 50 schools are more more popular likely to the detriment of many other schools.

There are far fewer kids going to college vs 2012…so plenty of schools are seeing declining applications and enrollment…but the top schools are not feeling it.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in terms of just number of applications they receive, but in terms of general recognition by the public. For example, it feels like "Ivy League" is used all over movies and TV because it's a very convenient shorthand for "good colleges." Even a school like Cornell probably benefits from just being associated. Does this leave behind other great schools like Stanford and Duke in popular recognition who don't get on the big screen as much because they aren't technically Ivies?

Stanford is recognized. It's world class.

Duke? It's not on the level of Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, MIT...

Duke is roughly tied with Penn and beats Brown, Dartmouth, and Cornell.

Anonymous wrote:Not in terms of just number of applications they receive, but in terms of general recognition by the public. For example, it feels like "Ivy League" is used all over movies and TV because it's a very convenient shorthand for "good colleges." Even a school like Cornell probably benefits from just being associated. Does this leave behind other great schools like Stanford and Duke in popular recognition who don't get on the big screen as much because they aren't technically Ivies?

Stanford is recognized. It's world class.

Duke? It's not on the level of Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, MIT...

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the word is out that select flagship publics offer the best blend of academics and lifestyle with a large enough student body for fun.

The ivies are seen as woke and/or grindy

+1

The people I know who went to Harvard will say some version of, “I attended school in Boston.” They won’t even say the name.

Anonymous wrote:Not in terms of just number of applications they receive, but in terms of general recognition by the public. For example, it feels like "Ivy League" is used all over movies and TV because it's a very convenient shorthand for "good colleges." Even a school like Cornell probably benefits from just being associated. Does this leave behind other great schools like Stanford and Duke in popular recognition who don't get on the big screen as much because they aren't technically Ivies?

I think that those schools are getting to be less popular with practical high-stats applicants, just because of how random the admissions process is.

My impression is that the stats at places like Northeastern and Case Western will probably improve, because they’re friendly to high-stats applicants with ordinary activities.

less popular -

the word is out that select flagship publics offer the best blend of academics and lifestyle with a large enough student body for fun.

The ivies are seen as woke and/or grindy

I've seen fewer applications from our high school over time, with occasional spikes, but a steady downward trend.

Definite increase in strong engineering schools, and a steady number opting for small engineering schools, like the STEM equivalent of a SLAC.

PP- here and I don’t think that is either net positive or negative.

I think they are getting more popular with a different cohort.

Anonymous wrote:Not in terms of just number of applications they receive, but in terms of general recognition by the public. For example, it feels like "Ivy League" is used all over movies and TV because it's a very convenient shorthand for "good colleges." Even a school like Cornell probably benefits from just being associated. Does this leave behind other great schools like Stanford and Duke in popular recognition who don't get on the big screen as much because they aren't technically Ivies?

Duke, yes; Stanford, no (although from the "big screen" perspective UCLA might get as much if not more attention as Stanford).

And in terms of "big screen" attention, it's really just HYPC that get attention, not the other Ivies. HYP because they are HYP and C because it's in NYC.

Brown might get mentioned in a random Vanity Fair article every few years because the child of a rich person went there. That's about it. Or Dartmouth gets attention when there's some fraternity issue. That's about it.

No. General recognition by the public - particularly employers, which is the audience that would matter - does not change much over time.

Employers do not think less of Stanford or Duke for not being Ivies.

The Ivy League is an athletic conference. The schools are elite. That doesn't mean non-Ivies can't also be elite.

Not in terms of just number of applications they receive, but in terms of general recognition by the public. For example, it feels like "Ivy League" is used all over movies and TV because it's a very convenient shorthand for "good colleges." Even a school like Cornell probably benefits from just being associated. Does this leave behind other great schools like Stanford and Duke in popular recognition who don't get on the big screen as much because they aren't technically Ivies?