I love all the new Kia's! They are very nice inside and extremely reliable.

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Anonymous wrote:We usually drive our cars 9-10 years. We've sunk over $17K!!! (yes, its been so bad I'm tracking the costs) into our 2014 GMC SUV - and I plan to dump it as soon as the new Toyota Grand Highlander hits the dealership. Sadly this is not my lone experience with American cars

Over the last 10 years we've owned a Honda and Lexus - which have cost FAR less maintain (combined!)

Why do you need such monster cars?

2 parents, 3 kids, 140lb dog, 2 grandparents that often come along to kid's sports and out to dinner, and frequent carpool driver for kids school/sports/camps

This is what we choose despite over a full size SUV with bad ga mileage... on that note, have you looked at the new Toyota Grand Highlanders MPG, it's way better than our crappy GMC.

Chevy Impalas and Ford Crown Vic’s as NYC Cabs and Taxis used to clock 500k to one million routinely.

The old Checkers really ran forever. In the early 1990s I grabbed a checker cab in NYC and driver and me talking as he owned it and one of last in service. He had it since new and it had over one million miles!!

My Chevy was a death trap.

Anonymous wrote:Did you read the study you posted? It’s a survey of people who bought their cars in 2020. So the cars are 3 years old. When people talk reliability, they aren’t talking about how their car is acting at 35k mi. They want the car that will go 150k mi without having to change a cam shaft sensor or a fuel sensor, which is true for most Toyotas and Hondas.

Do you know that all reliability rankings that were often referenced to demonstrate Toyota and Honda superiority were also looking at 3yo cars?
Do you know that all if not most reliability studies you would see use the same 3 years timespan?
Why are you dismissing these rankings now that they are no longer at the top?
If they already have problems when they are only 3yo, do you really think they will be problems-free when they are 10?

Toyota and Honda were more reliable 20 years ago. Not anymore.

Anonymous wrote:We usually drive our cars 9-10 years. We've sunk over $17K!!! (yes, its been so bad I'm tracking the costs) into our 2014 GMC SUV - and I plan to dump it as soon as the new Toyota Grand Highlander hits the dealership. Sadly this is not my lone experience with American cars

Over the last 10 years we've owned a Honda and Lexus - which have cost FAR less maintain (combined!)

Why do you need such monster cars?

I’ve had two Buicks and they crap out at 70,000 miles.

We usually drive our cars 9-10 years. We've sunk over $17K!!! (yes, its been so bad I'm tracking the costs) into our 2014 GMC SUV - and I plan to dump it as soon as the new Toyota Grand Highlander hits the dealership. Sadly this is not my lone experience with American cars

Over the last 10 years we've owned a Honda and Lexus - which have cost FAR less maintain (combined!)

I don’t believe the results. Would not be surprised if it were some sort of a pay to play scheme, so common in industry.

Anonymous wrote:Did you read the study you posted? It’s a survey of people who bought their cars in 2020. So the cars are 3 years old. When people talk reliability, they aren’t talking about how their car is acting at 35k mi. They want the car that will go 150k mi without having to change a cam shaft sensor or a fuel sensor, which is true for most Toyotas and Hondas.

+1. I think these surveys use "reliability" and "cosmetic" minor things interchangeably. tell me how well your car is holding up after 10 years.

Anonymous wrote:Did you read the study you posted? It’s a survey of people who bought their cars in 2020. So the cars are 3 years old. When people talk reliability, they aren’t talking about how their car is acting at 35k mi. They want the car that will go 150k mi without having to change a cam shaft sensor or a fuel sensor, which is true for most Toyotas and Hondas.

This. If you want to know the true measure of reliability for cars built "today" (or within the past few years)...you can't really measure it NOW. This is something you study 5, 10, 15 years down the line.

Why do people still believe that American cars are not reliable?

In my case, it was because I owned one. I have subsequently owned a Honda. There is really no comparison when it comes to quality.

Have you seen the inside of a Chevy? Even a “fancy” one? NMS at all and so overpriced. The “in” car in my neighborhood now is apparently a loaded Tahoe. Looked at them - so ugly on the inside and $80k! Hard pass.

Did you read the study you posted? It’s a survey of people who bought their cars in 2020. So the cars are 3 years old. When people talk reliability, they aren’t talking about how their car is acting at 35k mi. They want the car that will go 150k mi without having to change a cam shaft sensor or a fuel sensor, which is true for most Toyotas and Hondas.

Toyota and Honda reliability on a steep decline.
Kia, Buick, Chevrolet and Mitsubishi all rank higher than Toyota.
Why do people still believe that American cars are not reliable?
Why do people still believe that Toyotas and Hondas are the most reliable car?

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds#:~:text=Kia%20(152%20PP100)%20ranks%20highest%20in%20the%20mass%20market%20segment%20for%20a%20third%20consecutive%20year%2C%20followed%20by%20Buick%20(159%20PP100)%2C%20Chevrolet%20(162%20PP100)%2C%20Mitsubishi%20(167%20PP100)%20and%20Toyota%20(168%20PP100).