Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 17:42     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know anyone who thinks any of those things, OP. Granted, I don't know many American conservatives, but my conservative family in Europe, who votes for right-wing politicians, knows climate change is real, and takes action every day to mitigate it. Every day on the TV it's talked about seriously, with all sorts of ideas individuals can implement to do their part. Local governments are at the forefront of this fight, because they're dealing with wildfires and evacuations, bans on filling swimming pools, and even in some places a total moratorium on new construction because there's not enough water to support more residents, and, a ban on agricultural watering, which is a huge deal and will change what type of crops farmers grow (and what type of animal herds they choose to invest in). As a child growing up in Europe, we were taught about climate change in grade school, and read books explaining it. It's not a political controversy in any of the European countries I've lived in.

You don’t know any American right wingers? What delightful and peaceful bubble do you live in? Also how did you wander onto an American site and not understand that cons here absolutely believe the way OP implies?


I am conservative and none of the listed in OP is applicable to me or my family. I think you and OP getting your idea of conservatives from the media and don't know any of them in real life.


I am the only left leaning person in a large family of conservatives; my DH also has many conservatives in his family. What OP posted absolutely represents an array of existing conservative view points. In addition, one only needs to glance at Fox News or read the comment section on Fox News to see that what OP posted is exactly what conservative leaning Americans tend to think.


Let me break you a secret: conservatives don't watch Fox news.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 16:32     Subject: Re:Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
Anonymous wrote:I) I consider myself a (small c) conservative, and climate change is real and we need to do something. I think it needs to be local, national and international. I find it ridiculous that the GOP has turned its back on conservation.


+1000. Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act and other laws intended to conserve and protect our environment and reduce pollution were passed with strong Republican backing, and the EPA was founded by a Republican President. But since then, the GOP has abandoned its values and principles. I was a Republican for 20 years but they became too radical and far right for me and sold out on too many of the values I hold dear.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 16:29     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know anyone who thinks any of those things, OP. Granted, I don't know many American conservatives, but my conservative family in Europe, who votes for right-wing politicians, knows climate change is real, and takes action every day to mitigate it. Every day on the TV it's talked about seriously, with all sorts of ideas individuals can implement to do their part. Local governments are at the forefront of this fight, because they're dealing with wildfires and evacuations, bans on filling swimming pools, and even in some places a total moratorium on new construction because there's not enough water to support more residents, and, a ban on agricultural watering, which is a huge deal and will change what type of crops farmers grow (and what type of animal herds they choose to invest in). As a child growing up in Europe, we were taught about climate change in grade school, and read books explaining it. It's not a political controversy in any of the European countries I've lived in.

You don’t know any American right wingers? What delightful and peaceful bubble do you live in? Also how did you wander onto an American site and not understand that cons here absolutely believe the way OP implies?


I am conservative and none of the listed in OP is applicable to me or my family. I think you and OP getting your idea of conservatives from the media and don't know any of them in real life.


I am the only left leaning person in a large family of conservatives; my DH also has many conservatives in his family. What OP posted absolutely represents an array of existing conservative view points. In addition, one only needs to glance at Fox News or read the comment section on Fox News to see that what OP posted is exactly what conservative leaning Americans tend to think.


Exactly. I regularly hear those views from my conservative relatives as well.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 16:28     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
Anonymous wrote:The climate is always changing and on a much longer time scale than humans have been around to impact. Educate yourself on the Milankovitch cycles - https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/#:~:text=These%20cyclical%20orbital%20movements%2C%20which,and%20south%20of%20the%20equator)

You heard it here first summer 2023 temperatures for most if not all of the US will be the lowest on record.


The problem with your theory is that Milankovich cycles are a series of periodicities from roughly 90,000 to 400,000 years in length.

The carbon climate change problem is much, much faster than that, it began just 150 years ago, with the advent of the industrial age when we began digging and burning countless millions of tons of coal representing hundreds of millions of years worth of compressed, concentrated and accumulated fossil biomass.

Many different teams of scientists have modeled the contribution and impact of Milankovich cycles along with all of the other known contributors to climate change. Milankovich cycles DO NOT contribute any meaningful change to climate over the span of the last 150 years. Instead, again and again and again, the models and data all point to anthropogenic pollutants as a major contributor.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 15:59     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know anyone who thinks any of those things, OP. Granted, I don't know many American conservatives, but my conservative family in Europe, who votes for right-wing politicians, knows climate change is real, and takes action every day to mitigate it. Every day on the TV it's talked about seriously, with all sorts of ideas individuals can implement to do their part. Local governments are at the forefront of this fight, because they're dealing with wildfires and evacuations, bans on filling swimming pools, and even in some places a total moratorium on new construction because there's not enough water to support more residents, and, a ban on agricultural watering, which is a huge deal and will change what type of crops farmers grow (and what type of animal herds they choose to invest in). As a child growing up in Europe, we were taught about climate change in grade school, and read books explaining it. It's not a political controversy in any of the European countries I've lived in.

You don’t know any American right wingers? What delightful and peaceful bubble do you live in? Also how did you wander onto an American site and not understand that cons here absolutely believe the way OP implies?


I am conservative and none of the listed in OP is applicable to me or my family. I think you and OP getting your idea of conservatives from the media and don't know any of them in real life.


I am the only left leaning person in a large family of conservatives; my DH also has many conservatives in his family. What OP posted absolutely represents an array of existing conservative view points. In addition, one only needs to glance at Fox News or read the comment section on Fox News to see that what OP posted is exactly what conservative leaning Americans tend to think.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 15:55     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you are conservative or libertarian, which statement describes your view?

A. Climate change is not real, or at least it is not man-made.
B. Climate change may be real, but there is nothing the government can and should do to mitigate it, because it won't change anything (climate change is inevitable regardless of what we do).
C. China and India pollute more, and therefore we should not try and reduce our emissions, because it will threaten our economic competitiveness.
D. Climate change is real, but government-driven efforts are more feel-good and greenwashing than actually effective.
E. Emissions reductions and greener initiatives should be entirely left to the free market to solve.
F. I acknowledge climate change, emissions, pollution, and various forms of environmental degradation but I just don't find it to be as important as other issues that affect me more directly.
G. Climate change is exaggerated and an excuse for governments to try and restrict our freedoms.
H. Don't talk to me about climate change or the environment until every politician and elite like Bill Gates stops using private jets and lives according to what environmentalists want.


I. Climate change is real, but because Al Gore built his Outer Banks house right near the water, there is no imminent danger to the rest of us, mortals. Since he also flies private jet, I can take my two trips per year to Europe and Asia.



+1000

And since he invented the internet he must be smarter than all of us.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 15:48     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know anyone who thinks any of those things, OP. Granted, I don't know many American conservatives, but my conservative family in Europe, who votes for right-wing politicians, knows climate change is real, and takes action every day to mitigate it. Every day on the TV it's talked about seriously, with all sorts of ideas individuals can implement to do their part. Local governments are at the forefront of this fight, because they're dealing with wildfires and evacuations, bans on filling swimming pools, and even in some places a total moratorium on new construction because there's not enough water to support more residents, and, a ban on agricultural watering, which is a huge deal and will change what type of crops farmers grow (and what type of animal herds they choose to invest in). As a child growing up in Europe, we were taught about climate change in grade school, and read books explaining it. It's not a political controversy in any of the European countries I've lived in.

You don’t know any American right wingers? What delightful and peaceful bubble do you live in? Also how did you wander onto an American site and not understand that cons here absolutely believe the way OP implies?


I am conservative and none of the listed in OP is applicable to me or my family. I think you and OP getting your idea of conservatives from the media and don't know any of them in real life.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 15:39     Subject: Re:Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
I) I consider myself a (small c) conservative, and climate change is real and we need to do something. I think it needs to be local, national and international. I find it ridiculous that the GOP has turned its back on conservation.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 15:37     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
Anonymous wrote:If you are conservative or libertarian, which statement describes your view?

A. Climate change is not real, or at least it is not man-made.
B. Climate change may be real, but there is nothing the government can and should do to mitigate it, because it won't change anything (climate change is inevitable regardless of what we do).
C. China and India pollute more, and therefore we should not try and reduce our emissions, because it will threaten our economic competitiveness.
D. Climate change is real, but government-driven efforts are more feel-good and greenwashing than actually effective.
E. Emissions reductions and greener initiatives should be entirely left to the free market to solve.
F. I acknowledge climate change, emissions, pollution, and various forms of environmental degradation but I just don't find it to be as important as other issues that affect me more directly.
G. Climate change is exaggerated and an excuse for governments to try and restrict our freedoms.
H. Don't talk to me about climate change or the environment until every politician and elite like Bill Gates stops using private jets and lives according to what environmentalists want.


I. Climate change is real, but because Al Gore built his Outer Banks house right near the water, there is no imminent danger to the rest of us, mortals. Since he also flies private jet, I can take my two trips per year to Europe and Asia.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 15:35     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
Anonymous wrote:The climate is always changing and on a much longer time scale than humans have been around to impact. Educate yourself on the Milankovitch cycles - https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/#:~:text=These%20cyclical%20orbital%20movements%2C%20which,and%20south%20of%20the%20equator)

You heard it here first summer 2023 temperatures for most if not all of the US will be the lowest on record.

I think it’s so adorable that conservatives always think it’s some ground breaking news that the earth’s climate has AlWaYs ChAnGeD. It wasn’t habitable by humans for much of that time.

And for you, dear sweet summer child. It’s just a cartoon so perhaps you’ll grasp its implications: https://xkcd.com/1732/
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 13:41     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
A combination of C&D. I have posted here before. The emissions of China, India, and the rest of the developing world are much higher than Europe and the US, and those emissions are growing.
According to global warming models, there is no chance of reaching a safe level of emissions without getting substantial reductions from places outside Europe and the US.
If the US and Europe reduced emissions to 0, global warming would continue, and the trajectory would not change that much. It would change a little as that is a substantial cut in emissions, but the increase would be erased by the increases in other countries. Even if it were not erased, you would still need an 80% cut in emissions from that lower level to solve global warming.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 12:49     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
The climate is always changing and on a much longer time scale than humans have been around to impact. Educate yourself on the Milankovitch cycles - https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/milankovitch-orbital-cycles-and-their-role-in-earths-climate/#:~:text=These%20cyclical%20orbital%20movements%2C%20which,and%20south%20of%20the%20equator)

You heard it here first summer 2023 temperatures for most if not all of the US will be the lowest on record.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 12:33     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
Anonymous wrote:I don't know anyone who thinks any of those things, OP. Granted, I don't know many American conservatives, but my conservative family in Europe, who votes for right-wing politicians, knows climate change is real, and takes action every day to mitigate it. Every day on the TV it's talked about seriously, with all sorts of ideas individuals can implement to do their part. Local governments are at the forefront of this fight, because they're dealing with wildfires and evacuations, bans on filling swimming pools, and even in some places a total moratorium on new construction because there's not enough water to support more residents, and, a ban on agricultural watering, which is a huge deal and will change what type of crops farmers grow (and what type of animal herds they choose to invest in). As a child growing up in Europe, we were taught about climate change in grade school, and read books explaining it. It's not a political controversy in any of the European countries I've lived in.

You don’t know any American right wingers? What delightful and peaceful bubble do you live in? Also how did you wander onto an American site and not understand that cons here absolutely believe the way OP implies?
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 09:28     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
I don't know anyone who thinks any of those things, OP. Granted, I don't know many American conservatives, but my conservative family in Europe, who votes for right-wing politicians, knows climate change is real, and takes action every day to mitigate it. Every day on the TV it's talked about seriously, with all sorts of ideas individuals can implement to do their part. Local governments are at the forefront of this fight, because they're dealing with wildfires and evacuations, bans on filling swimming pools, and even in some places a total moratorium on new construction because there's not enough water to support more residents, and, a ban on agricultural watering, which is a huge deal and will change what type of crops farmers grow (and what type of animal herds they choose to invest in). As a child growing up in Europe, we were taught about climate change in grade school, and read books explaining it. It's not a political controversy in any of the European countries I've lived in.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 09:07     Subject: Conservatives and climate change (a poll)
If you are conservative or libertarian, which statement describes your view?

A. Climate change is not real, or at least it is not man-made.
B. Climate change may be real, but there is nothing the government can and should do to mitigate it, because it won't change anything (climate change is inevitable regardless of what we do).
C. China and India pollute more, and therefore we should not try and reduce our emissions, because it will threaten our economic competitiveness.
D. Climate change is real, but government-driven efforts are more feel-good and greenwashing than actually effective.
E. Emissions reductions and greener initiatives should be entirely left to the free market to solve.
F. I acknowledge climate change, emissions, pollution, and various forms of environmental degradation but I just don't find it to be as important as other issues that affect me more directly.
G. Climate change is exaggerated and an excuse for governments to try and restrict our freedoms.
H. Don't talk to me about climate change or the environment until every politician and elite like Bill Gates stops using private jets and lives according to what environmentalists want.