I think there are aliens in the ocean.

You really think that a spaceship advanced enough to travel light-years through space is going to have a mechanical issue or fly into power lines and crash on our little backwater planet?

And that NO ONE EVER until now has spilled the beans?

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Alien life forms in our galaxy are very unlikely to exist, and if they do, they exist in the form of single-celled organisms.

This such a limited way of thinking. I have no proof of alien life here or visiting or anything - I’ll leave the wild claims to the retired “defense contractors” - but to look at all the billions of stars, know of how many Goldilocks planets there much be out there and then conclude that not only is there nothing out there, but also that if we don’t have technology to use wormholes or something similar nothing else does is a special kind of something.

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I doubt we are the only life in the universe. Why should we be?
No idea about aliens visiting Earth, but I don't see what should be so unique about Earth among the likely millions of planets in the universe that we should be the only intelligent life out there.

I sort of hold the mirror image of this opinion. It’s not clear to me that the size of the universe alone means there must aliens—surely some things aren’t reducible to everyday probabilistic determinations—but if there are aliens who are capable of travel to earth and if they think like humans (a totally unjustified assumption), I don’t know why they wouldn’t want to come see what we’re up to. If we discovered life on another planet, I don’t think there’d be some subset of planets where we say “eh, not unique enough”

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Anonymous wrote:
Alien life forms in our galaxy are very unlikely to exist, and if they do, they exist in the form of single-celled organisms.

This such a limited way of thinking. I have no proof of alien life here or visiting or anything - I’ll leave the wild claims to the retired “defense contractors” - but to look at all the billions of stars, know of how many Goldilocks planets there much be out there and then conclude that not only is there nothing out there, but also that if we don’t have technology to use wormholes or something similar nothing else does is a special kind of something.

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I doubt we are the only life in the universe. Why should we be?
No idea about aliens visiting Earth, but I don't see what should be so unique about Earth among the likely millions of planets in the universe that we should be the only intelligent life out there.

Only a few non-human piloted craft have made it to earth and been recovered.

Just like us; probes (uav or ufo or whatever) are mostly what come to earth. Not organic aliens.

some of those drones have been recovered.

Very few people have the real story about actual aliens. not even dod contractors or government engineers who reverse engineered the tech would be told where it came from. So these few people
In the know seeded various parts of industry with pieces of alien tech like 50 years ago.
Even if you ran nga, nro or nsa you would not know where your sensors or tech came came from (you only care what the capabilities are for your mission).

The people who really know stuff are probably in their 80s or older with first hand experiences of how it worked with any actual aliens The rest are deceased.

I do not think any piloted nonhuman craft have been here in a long time. At least that we have recovered. Non-piloted or remotely piloted or some AI blend objects is what we mostly get. Where and who built them is tbd.

I think between the air force videos, and the consistency of what people are observing...there is a lot of smoke here.

David Fravor, David Grusch, Luis Elizondo... these people seem like sober, credible people. I think it's statistically unlikely that we are unique in the universe and it would be extremely arrogant to assume that because something is inexplicable by our current scientific knowledge, that it's therefore impossible.

I thought the answers around the other objects shot down around the same time as the Chinese spy balloon were unsatisfactory. The General speaking about the object we shot at over Alaska specifically said the object didn't move like any weather balloon

Here are some other interesting articles:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/washington-post-liv...-identification-program-aatip/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-you...ghter-david-fravor-at-his-word




These people do not seem like cranks. Why the hell isn't this bigger news? We didn't recover (or did we?) all the objects we shot down when we were told a chinese spy balloon was flying over our country. People want answers!

Here is an article, in case people don’t know what this thread is about.

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-...has-retrieved-non-human-craft/


David Grusch asserted that UFO “legacy programs” have long been concealed within “multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities.”

He said he reported to Congress on the existence of a decades-long “publicly unknown Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material – a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages.”

Whenever people in the past have imagined future technology or developments, it’s always something dumb. Like a guy strapping on makeshift wings and flying around. It feels to me like the same principle suggests that aliens wouldn’t just roll up in a ship like we’re picturing. Like if we do find aliens, they’d be fundamentally different in a way that’s hard to predict now (e.g., they’re not solid, they don’t look like a biological organism)

There isn’t even intelligent life here!

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Alien life forms in our galaxy are very unlikely to exist, and if they do, they exist in the form of single-celled organisms.

This such a limited way of thinking. I have no proof of alien life here or visiting or anything - I’ll leave the wild claims to the retired “defense contractors” - but to look at all the billions of stars, know of how many Goldilocks planets there much be out there and then conclude that not only is there nothing out there, but also that if we don’t have technology to use wormholes or something similar nothing else does is a special kind of something.

He never claims to have seen such things first hand. So no.

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Alien life forms in our galaxy are very unlikely to exist, and if they do, they exist in the form of single-celled organisms.

How many galaxies have you traveled?

Alien life forms in our galaxy are very unlikely to exist, and if they do, they exist in the form of single-celled organisms.

He’s probably schizophrenic

Do we believe this whistleblower guy? I’m very skeptical