Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 20:30     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Anonymous wrote:Meta just notified staff that they must work from the office at least 3x/week. They join Amazon and Alphabet and probably others as prominent firms that are requiring more time in the office.

If more private companies require office time, how long will it take government agencies to demand the same?


Aw, sad private sector employee chained to his desk wants government employees to join him.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 19:24     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Anonymous wrote:Most government agencies have a RTO plan, although they generally seem to allow for more telework than some of the private sector companies because of the pay disparity. It’s a tale as old as time, there are perks to government work that you can’t get in the private sector to offset the pay discrepancy. Enhanced telework is huge perk to many people now, and government agencies would be foolish not to take advantage.


Yup!
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 18:23     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Anonymous wrote:Meta just notified staff that they must work from the office at least 3x/week. They join Amazon and Alphabet and probably others as prominent firms that are requiring more time in the office.

If more private companies require office time, how long will it take government agencies to demand the same?

Are you a troll? My agency has been back 1x a week for a long time and many peoples come in voluntarily 2x a week.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 18:17     Subject: Re:RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Is it though? 🤔

Work in client facing but non servicing financial services. No one is the office. Maybe 1x every second or third week.

We are in person for clients as requested (probably 1/5 of meetings, lots of people love continuing by Zoom)
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 15:22     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most government agencies already require some attendance every week. Have you been under a rock?


Employees covered by NTEU’s CBA only have to come into the office 1 day per pay period. I’d say that vast majority of those employees are doing no more than what’s required by the CBA. Management not covered by the CBA are frustrated, as they usually need to be in 3-4 days per week.

What I’ve found is that while a manager can’t “punish” those doing the minimum in-person requirement, they can reward and incentivize those who do come in more often. Staff coming in-person 2-3 days per week are more likely to get promoted.


I'm covered by a CBA like that. My managers are only going in once a week, and managers generally are pretty open about everyone being more productive at home.
BTW, "doing no more than is required by the CBA" is the point of unions and a way to show solidarity with fellow employees.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 15:07     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Anonymous wrote:Most government agencies have a RTO plan, although they generally seem to allow for more telework than some of the private sector companies because of the pay disparity. It’s a tale as old as time, there are perks to government work that you can’t get in the private sector to offset the pay discrepancy. Enhanced telework is huge perk to many people now, and government agencies would be foolish not to take advantage.


I’ve had good teleworking options in the private sector since about 2012. I can’t think of any of my private sector friends who are not fully remote or hybrid… I don’t know anyone going to the office four or five days a week, but that includes my federal government buddies too. I just don’t think there’s much discrepancy between private and government, especially around here. A lot of private companies are very open to telework.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 10:33     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Anonymous wrote:Sorry that you have to go back to the office, OP. My private sector friends are under similar mandates, but report that the high-performers ignore the rules without consequences because they know that they are too valuable.


Not in SF and NYC.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 10:21     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Anonymous wrote:Most government agencies already require some attendance every week. Have you been under a rock?


Employees covered by NTEU’s CBA only have to come into the office 1 day per pay period. I’d say that vast majority of those employees are doing no more than what’s required by the CBA. Management not covered by the CBA are frustrated, as they usually need to be in 3-4 days per week.

What I’ve found is that while a manager can’t “punish” those doing the minimum in-person requirement, they can reward and incentivize those who do come in more often. Staff coming in-person 2-3 days per week are more likely to get promoted.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 09:02     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Most government agencies have a RTO plan, although they generally seem to allow for more telework than some of the private sector companies because of the pay disparity. It’s a tale as old as time, there are perks to government work that you can’t get in the private sector to offset the pay discrepancy. Enhanced telework is huge perk to many people now, and government agencies would be foolish not to take advantage.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 07:47     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Anonymous wrote:Sorry that you have to go back to the office, OP. My private sector friends are under similar mandates, but report that the high-performers ignore the rules without consequences because they know that they are too valuable.


This is what I’m seeing too. I’m still fully remote, just going in periodically for meetings, but not on a regular schedule, but my husband‘s office is supposed to be back three days a week. I’d say he hits that target maybe once a month? It’s usually once or twice a week and no one cares. I think a lot of companies are just trying to send a message that they’re not going to have fully remote arrangements but are not really strict about a set schedule.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 07:35     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Sounds like a troll trying to stir up the same old arguments.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2023 06:56     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Anonymous wrote:Most government agencies already require some attendance every week. Have you been under a rock?


+1, not sure how you missed govt RTO. But also Meta has had some terrible headlines lately and probably is trying to change the narrative: the article says remote workers will stay remote.

My whole block is private sector IT people and they are permanently remote, most of them since before covid. I'm the only govt worker and the only one commuting.
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2023 23:51     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Sorry that you have to go back to the office, OP. My private sector friends are under similar mandates, but report that the high-performers ignore the rules without consequences because they know that they are too valuable.
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2023 23:41     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Most government agencies already require some attendance every week. Have you been under a rock?
Anonymous
Post 06/01/2023 23:09     Subject: RTO/Hybrid gaining momentum
Meta just notified staff that they must work from the office at least 3x/week. They join Amazon and Alphabet and probably others as prominent firms that are requiring more time in the office.

If more private companies require office time, how long will it take government agencies to demand the same?