Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 10:02     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
Didn't teachers just get a pay hike?
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 10:00     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
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Anonymous wrote:I don't see this being reported anywhere, but it was utter chaos. Martin took the opportunity to speak out against the Council during the Teacher Appreciation resolution, and that's fine. But then they tried to allow different teachers to continue to speak. Jawando (whom I really do not care for at all, but I feel he handled this mess pretty well) let one teacher speak. He tried to continue with the resolution and the union came down front, and camped out on the floor, forcing Council to cancel the resolution.

Would they be/are they OK with this type of behavior from students? Disrupting processes out of a sense of entitlement?

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/05/09/mcea-crashes-council-meeting-demands-full-funding/


They were not disrupting processes (oh no! disrupting processes!) out of a sense of entitlement. They were disrupting the proceeding to further their advocacy of a cause. Now, do I think this particular disruption was effective advocacy? Nope. I think it made them look silly for no purpose. Like the councilmembers are saying, "We're here to appreciate the teachers," and the teachers all say, "Boooooooooooooooo!" However, it's a pretty basic way to protest, and there's nothing wrong with it in principle, including if/when students do it.


Everyone else is limited to writing in to the Council, or testifying for 3 minutes during public hearings. Martin felt entitled to more.


Anybody who wants to can stage a protest during a Council session. Do you want to? Then go for it.


They actually can’t.


Why can't they? Council sessions are open to the public.


Same reason why you can't walk into Congress and disrupt proceedings unchecked without getting in trouble with the Capitol Police and landing a few charges for obstructing congress
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 09:59     Subject: Re:MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
Anonymous wrote:The Council's proclamation was hypocritical lip-service. "Y'all are great. Here's less money than you need."

MCEA can't strike. This was a reasonable balance.

(I'm not part of MCEA.)


I think her statement where she said as much was sufficient for that point. The theatrics and the subsequent disruption were not.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 09:54     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
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Anonymous wrote:I don't see this being reported anywhere, but it was utter chaos. Martin took the opportunity to speak out against the Council during the Teacher Appreciation resolution, and that's fine. But then they tried to allow different teachers to continue to speak. Jawando (whom I really do not care for at all, but I feel he handled this mess pretty well) let one teacher speak. He tried to continue with the resolution and the union came down front, and camped out on the floor, forcing Council to cancel the resolution.

Would they be/are they OK with this type of behavior from students? Disrupting processes out of a sense of entitlement?

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/05/09/mcea-crashes-council-meeting-demands-full-funding/


They were not disrupting processes (oh no! disrupting processes!) out of a sense of entitlement. They were disrupting the proceeding to further their advocacy of a cause. Now, do I think this particular disruption was effective advocacy? Nope. I think it made them look silly for no purpose. Like the councilmembers are saying, "We're here to appreciate the teachers," and the teachers all say, "Boooooooooooooooo!" However, it's a pretty basic way to protest, and there's nothing wrong with it in principle, including if/when students do it.


Everyone else is limited to writing in to the Council, or testifying for 3 minutes during public hearings. Martin felt entitled to more.


Anybody who wants to can stage a protest during a Council session. Do you want to? Then go for it.


They actually can’t.


Why can't they? Council sessions are open to the public.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 09:51     Subject: Re:MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
The Council's proclamation was hypocritical lip-service. "Y'all are great. Here's less money than you need."

MCEA can't strike. This was a reasonable balance.

(I'm not part of MCEA.)
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 09:48     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't see this being reported anywhere, but it was utter chaos. Martin took the opportunity to speak out against the Council during the Teacher Appreciation resolution, and that's fine. But then they tried to allow different teachers to continue to speak. Jawando (whom I really do not care for at all, but I feel he handled this mess pretty well) let one teacher speak. He tried to continue with the resolution and the union came down front, and camped out on the floor, forcing Council to cancel the resolution.

Would they be/are they OK with this type of behavior from students? Disrupting processes out of a sense of entitlement?

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/05/09/mcea-crashes-council-meeting-demands-full-funding/


They were not disrupting processes (oh no! disrupting processes!) out of a sense of entitlement. They were disrupting the proceeding to further their advocacy of a cause. Now, do I think this particular disruption was effective advocacy? Nope. I think it made them look silly for no purpose. Like the councilmembers are saying, "We're here to appreciate the teachers," and the teachers all say, "Boooooooooooooooo!" However, it's a pretty basic way to protest, and there's nothing wrong with it in principle, including if/when students do it.


Everyone else is limited to writing in to the Council, or testifying for 3 minutes during public hearings. Martin felt entitled to more.


Anybody who wants to can stage a protest during a Council session. Do you want to? Then go for it.


They actually can’t.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 08:55     Subject: Re:MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
Yeah I'm not a Jawando fan but he handled it pretty well, considering the poor behavior of the MCEA.

None of this matters until the council stops begging to be on the apple ballot though
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 08:55     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't see this being reported anywhere, but it was utter chaos. Martin took the opportunity to speak out against the Council during the Teacher Appreciation resolution, and that's fine. But then they tried to allow different teachers to continue to speak. Jawando (whom I really do not care for at all, but I feel he handled this mess pretty well) let one teacher speak. He tried to continue with the resolution and the union came down front, and camped out on the floor, forcing Council to cancel the resolution.

Would they be/are they OK with this type of behavior from students? Disrupting processes out of a sense of entitlement?

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/05/09/mcea-crashes-council-meeting-demands-full-funding/


They were not disrupting processes (oh no! disrupting processes!) out of a sense of entitlement. They were disrupting the proceeding to further their advocacy of a cause. Now, do I think this particular disruption was effective advocacy? Nope. I think it made them look silly for no purpose. Like the councilmembers are saying, "We're here to appreciate the teachers," and the teachers all say, "Boooooooooooooooo!" However, it's a pretty basic way to protest, and there's nothing wrong with it in principle, including if/when students do it.


Everyone else is limited to writing in to the Council, or testifying for 3 minutes during public hearings. Martin felt entitled to more.


Anybody who wants to can stage a protest during a Council session. Do you want to? Then go for it.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 08:49     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't see this being reported anywhere, but it was utter chaos. Martin took the opportunity to speak out against the Council during the Teacher Appreciation resolution, and that's fine. But then they tried to allow different teachers to continue to speak. Jawando (whom I really do not care for at all, but I feel he handled this mess pretty well) let one teacher speak. He tried to continue with the resolution and the union came down front, and camped out on the floor, forcing Council to cancel the resolution.

Would they be/are they OK with this type of behavior from students? Disrupting processes out of a sense of entitlement?

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/05/09/mcea-crashes-council-meeting-demands-full-funding/


They were not disrupting processes (oh no! disrupting processes!) out of a sense of entitlement. They were disrupting the proceeding to further their advocacy of a cause. Now, do I think this particular disruption was effective advocacy? Nope. I think it made them look silly for no purpose. Like the councilmembers are saying, "We're here to appreciate the teachers," and the teachers all say, "Boooooooooooooooo!" However, it's a pretty basic way to protest, and there's nothing wrong with it in principle, including if/when students do it.


Everyone else is limited to writing in to the Council, or testifying for 3 minutes during public hearings. Martin felt entitled to more.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 08:15     Subject: Re:MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
Yikes. MCEA is not doing itself any favors.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 08:06     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
What's crazy is they think they can pass a tax hike with 6/11 votes. Didn't we amend the charter to require a unanimous vote to raise taxes?
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 08:01     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
Anonymous wrote:I don't see this being reported anywhere, but it was utter chaos. Martin took the opportunity to speak out against the Council during the Teacher Appreciation resolution, and that's fine. But then they tried to allow different teachers to continue to speak. Jawando (whom I really do not care for at all, but I feel he handled this mess pretty well) let one teacher speak. He tried to continue with the resolution and the union came down front, and camped out on the floor, forcing Council to cancel the resolution.

Would they be/are they OK with this type of behavior from students? Disrupting processes out of a sense of entitlement?

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/05/09/mcea-crashes-council-meeting-demands-full-funding/


They were not disrupting processes (oh no! disrupting processes!) out of a sense of entitlement. They were disrupting the proceeding to further their advocacy of a cause. Now, do I think this particular disruption was effective advocacy? Nope. I think it made them look silly for no purpose. Like the councilmembers are saying, "We're here to appreciate the teachers," and the teachers all say, "Boooooooooooooooo!" However, it's a pretty basic way to protest, and there's nothing wrong with it in principle, including if/when students do it.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 07:57     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
Anonymous wrote:I don't see this being reported anywhere, but it was utter chaos. Martin took the opportunity to speak out against the Council during the Teacher Appreciation resolution, and that's fine. But then they tried to allow different teachers to continue to speak. Jawando (whom I really do not care for at all, but I feel he handled this mess pretty well) let one teacher speak. He tried to continue with the resolution and the union came down front, and camped out on the floor, forcing Council to cancel the resolution.

Would they be/are they OK with this type of behavior from students? Disrupting processes out of a sense of entitlement?
https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/05/09/mcea-crashes-council-meeting-demands-full-funding/


You literally linked to a report. Here's another one: https://www.mymcmedia.org/union-members-disrupt-councils-teacher-appreciation-day-proclamation/
And here's another one: https://moco360.media/2023/05/10/teachers-union-disrupts-montgomery-county-council-over-tax-hike-forces-recess/
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 07:16     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
I watched the video. The mcea speakers came off as jerks.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2023 07:09     Subject: MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday
I don't see this being reported anywhere, but it was utter chaos. Martin took the opportunity to speak out against the Council during the Teacher Appreciation resolution, and that's fine. But then they tried to allow different teachers to continue to speak. Jawando (whom I really do not care for at all, but I feel he handled this mess pretty well) let one teacher speak. He tried to continue with the resolution and the union came down front, and camped out on the floor, forcing Council to cancel the resolution.

Would they be/are they OK with this type of behavior from students? Disrupting processes out of a sense of entitlement?



https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/05/09/mcea-crashes-council-meeting-demands-full-funding/