Anonymous wrote:Is OP the J1,J2, J3,J4 poster?

Yep. Wish Jeff would block this guy for persistent trolling.

Is OP the J1,J2, J3,J4 poster?

Anonymous wrote:This is the guy with multiple jobs right? Can tell by your weird omission of words.

No. It's not the same, and frankly it's quite offensive to those of us who do much more than the bare minimum at work. I have full time childcare and my job gets 40 good hours out of me a week. I do not disappear. My calendar is shared.

It’s definitely the guy who had two jobs. It has the same stilted, confusing writing style that manages to omit meaningful details and pepper in unnecessary ones.

If this is Multiple Job Guy, the primary difference is that a working mom's kids are in childcare or school while she was at work, whereas you are not paying someone to do your other jobs when you are at this job. If you did, weird, but you do you.

I'm a working mom and when I'm working, I'm working. I'm not trying to do another job. I do the work of parenting nights and weekends. It's draining but it's also the life most people at some point or another, since being a working parent is the reality for most people at some point.

When I was working I always had an au pair, so, no. Not the same.

This is the guy with multiple jobs right? Can tell by your weird omission of words.

No. It's not the same, and frankly it's quite offensive to those of us who do much more than the bare minimum at work. I have full time childcare and my job gets 40 good hours out of me a week. I do not disappear. My calendar is shared.

Well, I'm a single mom with a full-time job and although I have 1 daughter, it is still like having an additional full-time job. When my daughter was younger, she was sick a lot during the school school year. My ex-husband helped when he could, but she still wanted ME to take care of her. I too was placed on a PIP and luckily I survived it for several months later. Eventually so many things caught up to me and something had to give...I was fired. Things needed to be altered going forward, but it has worked out okay, but not easy at times. My daughter is almost out of high school and I am still going every whichaway, but the balance between work and being mom still applies.

Well for one thing, parental status is a protected class and being overemployed isn't. To say nothing of the honesty factor; I've never worked anywhere that my contract stated I had to disclose my parental status/commitments whereas everywhere I have worked has been clear that other sources of income need to be approved and not interfere with core hours.

Anonymous wrote:I can't understand your writing style.

+1 - I'm going to assume that writing is not a big part of their job, second job or mother duties.

Outcome-wise? Maybe not different. But is that the only thing that is important? With single guy, the situation is 100% because of choices he made. It's intentional, and shows blatant disregard for the employer.

The parents in these scenarios have had life happen to them. Certainly there may historically have been choices that lead to their situations, but a lot of the stressors and factors are external. Presumably, they're truly making the most effort they can, but are simply spread to think for across the board success.

Of course, you are not running a charity services, so you can (and apparently have) fired them. Maybe that's unavoidable, maybe it isn't. But it does suck.

So your position is that people who are struggling to simply be a human being with normal human commitments (kids, sick spouse) are the same as someone who is lying to multiple employers in order to try and get paid twice for the same work hours?

Just to be clear.

Also, having kids under age 6 is a temporary condition. Are you saying that someone whose work suffers during a difficult time in their life should be fired, even if they put in years of good service before and after? I'm guessing you also don't support longer parental leaves or hiring people who have taken time off of work to care for children or sick family members?

Again, just looking for clarification on your troll job here. It will be easier for us to yell at you and argue if we understand what stupid point you are trying to make.

Your post doesn't mention childcare... childcare situation makes all the difference.

I can't understand your writing style.

Fired from J2?

I preface this by meaning a Working Mom with multiple young kids and a non supportive husband.

There really is no difference someone two full time jobs and and an overwhelmed working mom as both disappearing during work day, cameras off sometimes, mysterious appointments on work calendar.

I had a women three young kids (all under 6) long commute and husband who traveled all the time also taking care of one older parent.

Another single young guy you could tell had second full time job and like to party and stay out late.

Both equally got out the same amount of sloppy bare minimum work delivered late.

Being a mom is a full time job. That is if husband does not help. But why is that not frowned upon as much?

Should the two people above be treated differently.

In above story single guy canned no warning, Mom got PIP, efforts made to make it work then canned 3 months later. But why treat it differently at all.

And a Dad juggling three kids no wife same thing. I have a coworker wife in Rehab for drugs and he also is slipping