Anonymous
04/27/2023 07:13
Subject: Re:What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
Let’s see. I am a lawyer and 20 years ago I was working for a boutique firm with boutique pay and big law hours. I had a baby in the early 2000s and when I got pregnant, my firm had no maternity leave. My boss created the policy of 6 weeks paid and 6 weeks unpaid (I took all of the leave offered). He said you had an option to use 2 weeks of vacation to extend the leave to 8 weeks, but he denied the leave request for me and every other woman after me. I was expected to be in the office when I wasn’t in court and every other week, he held a meeting to discuss every case the firm had and the meeting lasted until 11pm or later. At the time, there were very limited job options for lawyers and it was hard to find out about them. Judges yelled at you and other male lawyers *routinely* raised their voices and yelled at me and other female lawyers when we didn’t capitulate to their demands. Imagine someone with as much or less experience than you yelling at you because you won’t do what they want. This was a multiple times per week experience in this area. I was one of a very few women in my line of work. I left that firm and worked for myself and that was much better for me and our family.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 07:09
Subject: What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
Anonymous wrote:There wasn’t really WFH I assume.
I'm a woman in my early 50s. WFH is not having that much of an impact on women's lives. Executive women and mothers most likely need a lot of support in the home for caregiving, either through supportive spouses/significant others or through extended family or childcare services/workers. They still probably have children when they are in their 30s/early 40s instead of their late teens/early 20s. They are usually in very public-facing positions/roles, almost like nominated/elected officials. The ones I've seen rise through the ranks having very limited technical expertise, but they have excellent public speaking skills.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 07:01
Subject: What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
Anonymous wrote:20 years ago was only 2003.
I say it has been easy at work for the ladies since at least 1993.
I say close to 100 percent of women still in work force never worked in a bad environment.
Remember in the 1960s men smoked, cursed, drank, had affairs and it was even legal to fire pregnant women.
WFH is nothing of a benefit next to I worked often 45-60 hour weeks with people smoking and cursing all day. I come home saying F bombs and we go out to drinks all the time. I often get home from work drink at 1 am and back at desk in suit by 8 am. I say 95 percent of women were gone by 35.
My department had 400 men and 5 women. And age discrimination existed for men. Out of the 395 men maybe 7-9 were over 35.
I recall my boss telling some guy who asked to leave on time as baby issue said look you screwed your wife last year without a condom now I have to work late no way
That environment started during as early as the late 1970s and was gone by early 90s
Now women are the breadwinners and hold more college degrees and women now complain no men to marry more successful than them.
I worked with a women in 1988 who was 81 and still working. The stories she had how women were treated in the 1920s and 1930s were horrific. She thought 1988 was great for women
Thus is the 3 jobs troll.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 06:59
Subject: Re:What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a 23 and 21 year old.
In 1999 I was pregnant and up for a promotion. My boss said “you are clearly the most qualified but since you are pregnant I think your energy and attention will be elsewhere “ and he gave the promotion to a male who was way less qualified.
At the time it was legal to discriminate because of being a new mom. It was illegal to discriminate against me as a pregnant person but as a new mom it was legal.
I was recently promoted on maternity leave! We are making progress.
Same here!
Do you work in a field with white men? Even in a field dominated by women, my white female boss recently promoted a white man-one who my boss socializes with and quite openly adores his husband and who has half my experience--over me. I am a working mother and simply don't have the time this man has to socialize and network. As long as we are in fields competing with men, especially many childless men, this will continue. It's really only in fields dominated and run by women--communications, and less competitive fields, that women like you are being promoted on maternity leave. Congratulations!
Anonymous
04/27/2023 06:57
Subject: Re:What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
Anonymous wrote:I have a 23 and 21 year old.
In 1999 I was pregnant and up for a promotion. My boss said “you are clearly the most qualified but since you are pregnant I think your energy and attention will be elsewhere “ and he gave the promotion to a male who was way less qualified.
At the time it was legal to discriminate because of being a new mom. It was illegal to discriminate against me as a pregnant person but as a new mom it was legal.
Men and companies are just much smarter today about how they discriminate against women.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 06:54
Subject: Re:What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a 23 and 21 year old.
In 1999 I was pregnant and up for a promotion. My boss said “you are clearly the most qualified but since you are pregnant I think your energy and attention will be elsewhere “ and he gave the promotion to a male who was way less qualified.
At the time it was legal to discriminate because of being a new mom. It was illegal to discriminate against me as a pregnant person but as a new mom it was legal.
I was recently promoted on maternity leave! We are making progress.
Same here!
Anonymous
04/27/2023 06:53
Subject: What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
Anonymous wrote:20 years ago was only 2003.
I say it has been easy at work for the ladies since at least 1993.
I say close to 100 percent of women still in work force never worked in a bad environment.
Remember in the 1960s men smoked, cursed, drank, had affairs and it was even legal to fire pregnant women.
WFH is nothing of a benefit next to I worked often 45-60 hour weeks with people smoking and cursing all day. I come home saying F bombs and we go out to drinks all the time. I often get home from work drink at 1 am and back at desk in suit by 8 am. I say 95 percent of women were gone by 35.
My department had 400 men and 5 women. And age discrimination existed for men. Out of the 395 men maybe 7-9 were over 35.
I recall my boss telling some guy who asked to leave on time as baby issue said look you screwed your wife last year without a condom now I have to work late no way
That environment started during as early as the late 1970s and was gone by early 90s
Now women are the breadwinners and hold more college degrees and women now complain no men to marry more successful than them.
I worked with a women in 1988 who was 81 and still working. The stories she had how women were treated in the 1920s and 1930s were horrific. She thought 1988 was great for women
I stopped reading after that sentence. LoL.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 06:38
Subject: Re:What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
Anonymous wrote:I have a 23 and 21 year old.
In 1999 I was pregnant and up for a promotion. My boss said “you are clearly the most qualified but since you are pregnant I think your energy and attention will be elsewhere “ and he gave the promotion to a male who was way less qualified.
At the time it was legal to discriminate because of being a new mom. It was illegal to discriminate against me as a pregnant person but as a new mom it was legal.
I was recently promoted on maternity leave! We are making progress.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 06:32
Subject: What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
Anonymous wrote:20 years ago was only 2003.
I say it has been easy at work for the ladies since at least 1993.
I say close to 100 percent of women still in work force never worked in a bad environment.
Remember in the 1960s men smoked, cursed, drank, had affairs and it was even legal to fire pregnant women.
WFH is nothing of a benefit next to I worked often 45-60 hour weeks with people smoking and cursing all day. I come home saying F bombs and we go out to drinks all the time. I often get home from work drink at 1 am and back at desk in suit by 8 am. I say 95 percent of women were gone by 35.
My department had 400 men and 5 women. And age discrimination existed for men. Out of the 395 men maybe 7-9 were over 35.
I recall my boss telling some guy who asked to leave on time as baby issue said look you screwed your wife last year without a condom now I have to work late no way
That environment started during as early as the late 1970s and was gone by early 90s
Now women are the breadwinners and hold more college degrees and women now complain no men to marry more successful than them.
I worked with a women in 1988 who was 81 and still working. The stories she had how women were treated in the 1920s and 1930s were horrific. She thought 1988 was great for women
WTF to all of this
Anonymous
04/27/2023 02:08
Subject: Re:What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
I have a 23 and 21 year old.
In 1999 I was pregnant and up for a promotion. My boss said “you are clearly the most qualified but since you are pregnant I think your energy and attention will be elsewhere “ and he gave the promotion to a male who was way less qualified.
At the time it was legal to discriminate because of being a new mom. It was illegal to discriminate against me as a pregnant person but as a new mom it was legal.
In 1999 I was pregnant and up for a promotion. My boss said “you are clearly the most qualified but since you are pregnant I think your energy and attention will be elsewhere “ and he gave the promotion to a male who was way less qualified.
At the time it was legal to discriminate because of being a new mom. It was illegal to discriminate against me as a pregnant person but as a new mom it was legal.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 23:24
Subject: What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
20 years ago was only 2003.
I say it has been easy at work for the ladies since at least 1993.
I say close to 100 percent of women still in work force never worked in a bad environment.
Remember in the 1960s men smoked, cursed, drank, had affairs and it was even legal to fire pregnant women.
WFH is nothing of a benefit next to I worked often 45-60 hour weeks with people smoking and cursing all day. I come home saying F bombs and we go out to drinks all the time. I often get home from work drink at 1 am and back at desk in suit by 8 am. I say 95 percent of women were gone by 35.
My department had 400 men and 5 women. And age discrimination existed for men. Out of the 395 men maybe 7-9 were over 35.
I recall my boss telling some guy who asked to leave on time as baby issue said look you screwed your wife last year without a condom now I have to work late no way
That environment started during as early as the late 1970s and was gone by early 90s
Now women are the breadwinners and hold more college degrees and women now complain no men to marry more successful than them.
I worked with a women in 1988 who was 81 and still working. The stories she had how women were treated in the 1920s and 1930s were horrific. She thought 1988 was great for women
I say it has been easy at work for the ladies since at least 1993.
I say close to 100 percent of women still in work force never worked in a bad environment.
Remember in the 1960s men smoked, cursed, drank, had affairs and it was even legal to fire pregnant women.
WFH is nothing of a benefit next to I worked often 45-60 hour weeks with people smoking and cursing all day. I come home saying F bombs and we go out to drinks all the time. I often get home from work drink at 1 am and back at desk in suit by 8 am. I say 95 percent of women were gone by 35.
My department had 400 men and 5 women. And age discrimination existed for men. Out of the 395 men maybe 7-9 were over 35.
I recall my boss telling some guy who asked to leave on time as baby issue said look you screwed your wife last year without a condom now I have to work late no way
That environment started during as early as the late 1970s and was gone by early 90s
Now women are the breadwinners and hold more college degrees and women now complain no men to marry more successful than them.
I worked with a women in 1988 who was 81 and still working. The stories she had how women were treated in the 1920s and 1930s were horrific. She thought 1988 was great for women
Anonymous
04/26/2023 21:18
Subject: Re:What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
Anonymous wrote:I think it was a lot harder. More women dropped out. A lot of those who stayed had brutal hours and very little flexibility. Technology has helped, though it has also increased the expectation of being always available.
Tech affected both men and women.
I went to well regarded private school in the 1990s and a number of the mothers were already high achievers. Many more now!
Anonymous
04/26/2023 21:09
Subject: Re:What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
I think it was a lot harder. More women dropped out. A lot of those who stayed had brutal hours and very little flexibility. Technology has helped, though it has also increased the expectation of being always available.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 21:07
Subject: What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
They strained their relationships with their children, just like now.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 21:06
Subject: What was it like for exec women & mothers 20+ years ago?
There wasn’t really WFH I assume.