Anonymous
Post 04/20/2023 16:01     Subject: Re:Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
OP, I am in a similar boat. 140 nnat/133 cogat. Slightly better GBRS, but not by much. My kid is quiet at school. Also did not get in. We are at a high ses school so I am sure next year will be ok but we will still appeal.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2023 13:26     Subject: Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you have an explanation for the difference between Cogat and in-class performance? Can you provide examples or explanation for all the areas of the GBRS?

I really don’t know what standard teachers are following, but from what the AAP teacher told me is that although my son is bright, but he does not try hard and he thinks he knows everything which he does not of course. I received notes before from his teacher that he does not pay attention in class and hard to be engaged!!!!


The sad thing is, he sounds like exactly the kind of kid who most needs more challenging instruction


AAP is not the solution for curing misbehavior in the classroom, even with gifted kids. I'm glad teachers are reflecting this type of disruptive behavior on the GBRS.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2023 10:39     Subject: Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you have an explanation for the difference between Cogat and in-class performance? Can you provide examples or explanation for all the areas of the GBRS?

I really don’t know what standard teachers are following, but from what the AAP teacher told me is that although my son is bright, but he does not try hard and he thinks he knows everything which he does not of course. I received notes before from his teacher that he does not pay attention in class and hard to be engaged!!!!


The sad thing is, he sounds like exactly the kind of kid who most needs more challenging instruction
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 13:20     Subject: Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you have an explanation for the difference between Cogat and in-class performance? Can you provide examples or explanation for all the areas of the GBRS?

I really don’t know what standard teachers are following, but from what the AAP teacher told me is that although my son is bright, but he does not try hard and he thinks he knows everything which he does not of course. I received notes before from his teacher that he does not pay attention in class and hard to be engaged!!!!


You could appeal but it sounds like re-applying next year might be a better idea. When he's in 3td grade, which is a big step up for all students, he may be more engaged and the teacher may see him differently.

Also consider an evaluation for ADHD from the pediatrician or the school.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 13:06     Subject: Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
Anonymous wrote:Do you have an explanation for the difference between Cogat and in-class performance? Can you provide examples or explanation for all the areas of the GBRS?

I really don’t know what standard teachers are following, but from what the AAP teacher told me is that although my son is bright, but he does not try hard and he thinks he knows everything which he does not of course. I received notes before from his teacher that he does not pay attention in class and hard to be engaged!!!!
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 13:00     Subject: Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
Do you have an explanation for the difference between Cogat and in-class performance? Can you provide examples or explanation for all the areas of the GBRS?
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 12:56     Subject: Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
Anonymous wrote:I think 4 OOs would be hard to overcome. I’m sorry. It doesn’t hurt to appeal, but make sure you don’t expect miracles. What is the cogat score?

Cogat is 140
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 12:39     Subject: Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
I think 4 OOs would be hard to overcome. I’m sorry. It doesn’t hurt to appeal, but make sure you don’t expect miracles. What is the cogat score?
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 12:01     Subject: Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My son got everything occasionally observed on GBRS even he has high GOGAT score and iready score

We are in Vienna, and really hoping my son can get into AAP since the teacher kept telling me he is above second grade level.

The teacher rated him N for strength in reading even his reading iready score is 552 which is 94 percentile!!!!!!!!!!

I would admit my son is not the best listener and can be a trouble maker, does anything think he may still have a chance if I appeal?

Many Thanks


Probably not with 4O's, but you didn't share the COGAT score. If in the 130's or less, I think it will be too much to overcome the low GBRS. The Y/N is typically based on whether or not your child is receiving advanced instruction in Reading or Math (at least that's how our AART completed it, for better or worse). For example, having reading or math pull-outs (level II/III services). Iready doesn't seem to be weighted very heavily from what I've seen...and most AAP students will have at least one of them a 99%.

On the flip side, it can't hurt to appeal, but I'd provide some stellar work samples and examples tailored to the GBRS items in the write-up to overcome the fact that the teachers aren't seeing any of the items noted during the class time.


OP, For perspective, my child had 134 COGAT, is a troublemaker, got 1CO,3FO, and I thought was a borderline case of barely making it in the program. This is a mid-high SES school. I add this only for reference to the bar by the central Committee. There are examples of anomalies on both sides of this, getting in with score of 120 and low GBRS, to getting rejected with scores in the 140's and 4CO. The inconsistency is astounding.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 11:40     Subject: Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
Anonymous wrote:My son got everything occasionally observed on GBRS even he has high GOGAT score and iready score

We are in Vienna, and really hoping my son can get into AAP since the teacher kept telling me he is above second grade level.

The teacher rated him N for strength in reading even his reading iready score is 552 which is 94 percentile!!!!!!!!!!

I would admit my son is not the best listener and can be a trouble maker, does anything think he may still have a chance if I appeal?

Many Thanks


Probably not with 4O's, but you didn't share the COGAT score. If in the 130's or less, I think it will be too much to overcome the low GBRS. The Y/N is typically based on whether or not your child is receiving advanced instruction in Reading or Math (at least that's how our AART completed it, for better or worse). For example, having reading or math pull-outs (level II/III services). Iready doesn't seem to be weighted very heavily from what I've seen...and most AAP students will have at least one of them a 99%.

On the flip side, it can't hurt to appeal, but I'd provide some stellar work samples and examples tailored to the GBRS items in the write-up to overcome the fact that the teachers aren't seeing any of the items noted during the class time.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 10:52     Subject: Should I even appeal with very poor GBRS score but good GOGAT score
My son got everything occasionally observed on GBRS even he has high GOGAT score and iready score

We are in Vienna, and really hoping my son can get into AAP since the teacher kept telling me he is above second grade level.

The teacher rated him N for strength in reading even his reading iready score is 552 which is 94 percentile!!!!!!!!!!

I would admit my son is not the best listener and can be a trouble maker, does anything think he may still have a chance if I appeal?

Many Thanks