Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:49     Subject: Re:Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:University of Toronto is like this, and a lot of kids find it very difficult & drop out.


Why do you think it's OK to lie? Toronto is a very selective university, that selects AT ENTRY, like all Canadian unis.


UofT has a 45% acceptance rate but an 80% 7-year graduation rate
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:46     Subject: Re:Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:University of Toronto is like this, and a lot of kids find it very difficult & drop out.


Why do you think it's OK to lie? Toronto is a very selective university, that selects AT ENTRY, like all Canadian unis.


It’s not a lie. It has minimum requirements based on grades like OP mentioned. If you hit those grades you’re in.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:30     Subject: Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
All the teamsport kids get a trophy. Isn't that enough?
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:28     Subject: Re:Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
DH graduated from University of Wyoming - very similar to this model, should be applied to all state schools.

Accepts anyone with GPA >3.0 at 95% rate but graduation rate only 60%. Low COA for both in/out state with many graduates going on to top med and law schools.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:23     Subject: Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.


It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.


Not true. Many drop out because it's hard. That is, in fact, how the system works. When you graduate, you know things. Difficulty varies by major and university, of course.

Tuition is free in some European countries, but you're responsible for your room and board.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:21     Subject: Re:Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Anonymous wrote:University of Toronto is like this, and a lot of kids find it very difficult & drop out.


Why do you think it's OK to lie? Toronto is a very selective university, that selects AT ENTRY, like all Canadian unis.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:20     Subject: Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.


It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.


Sorbonne has a 100% acceptance rate but closer to 60% graduation rate for undergrad.


Tells you nothing -- the worst schools in the US have 100% acceptance rate and under 20% graduation rate. Sorbonne is not that hard of a school.


(I'm not even sure which Sorbonne you're talking about since there's a couple, but they are like run of the mill US urban colleges).
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:18     Subject: Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.


It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.


Sorbonne has a 100% acceptance rate but closer to 60% graduation rate for undergrad.


Tells you nothing -- the worst schools in the US have 100% acceptance rate and under 20% graduation rate. Sorbonne is not that hard of a school.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:10     Subject: Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.


It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.


Sorbonne has a 100% acceptance rate but closer to 60% graduation rate for undergrad.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:07     Subject: Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.


How many seats do you think each college has, OP?


+1
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:04     Subject: Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.


It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:03     Subject: Re:Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
University of Toronto is like this, and a lot of kids find it very difficult & drop out.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:03     Subject: Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.


How many seats do you think each college has, OP?
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:03     Subject: Re:Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Sure let them be “admitted”

They’ll have to find their own housing though, like at European schools.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2023 15:02     Subject: Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions
Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.