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Many DCUM posters do not respond to main points but go off on tangents … sigh …

I don’t understand how dating the earthquake pinpoints the date of death. Doesn’t that assume that the accounts of an earthquake happening at that exact moment are accurate?

No, the ancient seismometers are very reliable.

I don't think this NBC story describes the actual findings very well:

"The early first-century seismic event has been tentatively assigned a date of 31 AD with an accuracy of ±5 years. Plausible candidates include the earthquake reported in the Gospel of Matthew, an earthquake that occurred sometime before or after the crucifixion and was in effect ‘borrowed’ by the author of the Gospel of Matthew, and a local earthquake between 26 and 36 AD that was sufficiently energetic to deform the sediments at Ein Gedi but not energetic enough to produce a still extant and extra-biblical historical record. If the last possibility is true, this would mean that the report of an earthquake in the Gospel of Matthew is a type of allegory."

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00206814.2011.639996

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Many DCUM posters do not respond to main points but go off on tangents … sigh …

I don’t understand how dating the earthquake pinpoints the date of death. Doesn’t that assume that the accounts of an earthquake happening at that exact moment are accurate?

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Many DCUM posters do not respond to main points but go off on tangents … sigh …

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

What do you think the symbolism of Jesus dying at 33 years of age on April 3, year 033 is?

Saint Augustine first articulated the theological concept of the triune God comprising Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one.

Was this intended to point to the triune God, do you think ?

It is amazing how many archeological findings support core elements of various Bible stories - although I am not a biblical literalist, there are so many core transcendent truths in the Bible.

Forehead slap. Really, pp?

Sorry - just saw now it was 31

PP meant that the modern dating system starts with Jesus’ birth. That’s why he was 33 in AD 33. AD stands for Anno Domini, the “year of our Lord.” So it’s tautological really.

The 31 BC was before Jesus

Still not relevant to main point of PP’s point about symbolism of triune God.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

What do you think the symbolism of Jesus dying at 33 years of age on April 3, year 033 is?

Saint Augustine first articulated the theological concept of the triune God comprising Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one.

Was this intended to point to the triune God, do you think ?

It is amazing how many archeological findings support core elements of various Bible stories - although I am not a biblical literalist, there are so many core transcendent truths in the Bible.

Forehead slap. Really, pp?

Sorry - just saw now it was 31

PP meant that the modern dating system starts with Jesus’ birth. That’s why he was 33 in AD 33. AD stands for Anno Domini, the “year of our Lord.” So it’s tautological really.

The 31 BC was before Jesus

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

What do you think the symbolism of Jesus dying at 33 years of age on April 3, year 033 is?

Saint Augustine first articulated the theological concept of the triune God comprising Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one.

Was this intended to point to the triune God, do you think ?

It is amazing how many archeological findings support core elements of various Bible stories - although I am not a biblical literalist, there are so many core transcendent truths in the Bible.

Forehead slap. Really, pp?

Sorry - just saw now it was 31

PP meant that the modern dating system starts with Jesus’ birth. That’s why he was 33 in AD 33. AD stands for Anno Domini, the “year of our Lord.” So it’s tautological really.

I think the PP’s PP was referring to symbolism of all those threes so the comment was valid but a red herring …

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

What do you think the symbolism of Jesus dying at 33 years of age on April 3, year 033 is?

Saint Augustine first articulated the theological concept of the triune God comprising Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one.

Was this intended to point to the triune God, do you think ?

It is amazing how many archeological findings support core elements of various Bible stories - although I am not a biblical literalist, there are so many core transcendent truths in the Bible.

Forehead slap. Really, pp?

Sorry - just saw now it was 31

PP meant that the modern dating system starts with Jesus’ birth. That’s why he was 33 in AD 33. AD stands for Anno Domini, the “year of our Lord.” So it’s tautological really.

Anonymous wrote:There was also articles about a comet either 2 years before or after 0 AD that was thought to be the star of Bethlehem.

Also if you like this stuff read the great flood about archeological discovery into a major flood in the ancient world (when a river reversed course and flooded a major civilized area) that is thought to give rise to the Noah story.

I believe that the Noah flood myth was connected to other Mesopotamian people’s global flood myths so it makes sense it was based on a cataclysmic flood event on the Mesopotamian river at some point.

Scholars believe that the flood myth originated in Mesopotamia during the Old Babylonian Period (c.1880-1595 BCE) and reached Syro-Palestine in the latter half of the 2nd millennium BCE.[20] Extant texts show three distinct versions, the Sumerian Epic of Ziusudra, (the oldest, found in very fragmentary form on a single tablet dating from about 1600 BCE, although the story itself is older), and as episodes in two Akkadian language epics, the Atrahasis and the Epic of Gilgamesh.[21] The name of the hero, according to the version concerned, was Ziusudra, Atrahasis, or Utnapishtim, all of which are variations of each other, and it is just possible that an abbreviation of Utnapishtim/Utna'ishtim as "na'ish" was pronounced "Noah" in Palestine.

Numerous parallels make clear that the Genesis flood narrative is dependent on the Mesopotamian epics, and particularly on Gilgamesh, which is thought to date from c.1300-1000 BCE

The Hebrew version is clearly rich in symbolism but I don’t think we need to take it literally to appreciate beautiful lessons from it (eg rainbow as sign of God restoring his covenant of faithful relationship with his people).

There was also articles about a comet either 2 years before or after 0 AD that was thought to be the star of Bethlehem.

Also if you like this stuff read the great flood about archeological discovery into a major flood in the ancient world (when a river reversed course and flooded a major civilized area) that is thought to give rise to the Noah story.

I am also not a Bible literalist but find this very cool.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

What do you think the symbolism of Jesus dying at 33 years of age on April 3, year 033 is?

Saint Augustine first articulated the theological concept of the triune God comprising Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one.

Was this intended to point to the triune God, do you think ?

It is amazing how many archeological findings support core elements of various Bible stories - although I am not a biblical literalist, there are so many core transcendent truths in the Bible.

Forehead slap. Really, pp?

Sorry - just saw now it was 31

Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

What do you think the symbolism of Jesus dying at 33 years of age on April 3, year 033 is?

Saint Augustine first articulated the theological concept of the triune God comprising Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one.

Was this intended to point to the triune God, do you think ?

It is amazing how many archeological findings support core elements of various Bible stories - although I am not a biblical literalist, there are so many core transcendent truths in the Bible.

Forehead slap. Really, pp?

Interesting.

What do you think the symbolism of Jesus dying at 33 years of age on April 3, year 033 is?

Saint Augustine first articulated the theological concept of the triune God comprising Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one.

Was this intended to point to the triune God, do you think ?

It is amazing how many archeological findings support core elements of various Bible stories - although I am not a biblical literalist, there are so many core transcendent truths in the Bible.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47555983

Jesus, as described in the New Testament, was most likely crucified on Friday, April 3 in the year 33, geologists say. They base their conclusion on a review of seismic activity.

Geologists say Jesus, as described in the New Testament, was most likely crucified on Friday, April 3, in the year 33.

The latest investigation, reported in International Geology Review, focused on earthquake activity at the Dead Sea, located 13 miles from Jerusalem. The Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 27, mentions that an earthquake coincided with the crucifixion:

“And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open.”

To analyze earthquake activity in the region, geologist Jefferson Williams of Supersonic Geophysical and colleagues Markus Schwab and Achim Brauer of the German Research Center for Geosciences studied three cores from the beach of the Ein Gedi Spa adjacent to the Dead Sea.

Varves, which are annual layers of deposition in the sediments, reveal that at least two major earthquakes affected the core: a widespread earthquake in 31 B.C. and a seismic event that happened sometime between the years 26 and 36.

The latter period occurred during “the years when Pontius Pilate was procurator of Judea and when the earthquake of the Gospel of Matthew is historically constrained,” Williams said.

The rest of the article contains amazing information! I love stumbling upon news like this.