Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:54
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
Anonymous wrote:If it's useful I saw this on Reddit today and it seems pretty relevant to your interests. It looks like a text someone got from a Duke student while trying to decide between Penn, Duke, Yale, and Princeton (they seem to have picked Duke ultimately):
“Hey ___, ___ told me you’re interested in ___ and are deciding between a few schools including Duke and Penn. Happy to share how I came to my decision although we have different scenarios. I was deciding between Duke, Harvard, and the Huntsman dual-degree program with Wharton and CAS at Penn. It was tough delineating clear differences between the three, but as I talked to more students and understood the offerings across economics and policy-oriented fields, I was able to get a sense of where I wanted to be.
To start off, my first elimination was Penn as I realized Huntsman was actually very limiting. There are requirements for classes and summers that are inimical to exploration throughout the four years. Many of the kids are overloading on classes to fit everything and have difficulty finding time to get heavily involved with activities and programs outside of classes. The ones that do are incredibly stressed and constantly overworked, which might work for some people, but that was not what how I wanted to experience college. This inclination towards optionality ended up being a significant boon in hindsight as throughout Duke my interests have shifted and expanded across multiple fields; I’ve explored and taken several classes in statistics, CS, and film along with public policy. I’ve also had ample time to be involved with Duke Student Government, volunteer programs throughout Durham, and entrepreneurial organizations on campus. In tandem I’ve found this classroom and extracurricular exploration to be incredibly fulfilling and horizon-broadening, and I still have time to pursue personal hobbies and enjoy my friends.
This leads me to my next, and perhaps most defining, reason to attend Duke. The people here are hard to categorize as a monolith, but if I had to, I’d say they’re overwhelmingly friendly, supportive, and well-rounded. Duke has a unique spirit that cannot be found at its peer schools. The school unity anchored by the basketball program brings people together in a way that’s hard to describe until you experience it. I was never a fan of basketball before Duke, but it’s incredibly fun to participate in the sports traditions on campus and see everyone come together. The beauty is that engineers, art history enthusiasts, physicists, aspiring doctors and lawyers, startup founders, etc. all congregate and share in the joy of Duke basketball and taking a break from the otherwise busy life at Duke. Of course it’s never required or expected to partake, but at a minimum it creates a certain energy and level of happiness on campus that is truly infectious. This reflects in the strong alumni network with extremely fond memories of their time at Duke who consistently go to bat for you if you reach out to ask for opportunities, connections, or just to get advice and pick their brains.
On the other hand, Penn felt more somber and gloomy. Few people were spending time outside simply relaxing, and everyone seemed to be running off to the next with little time for the aforementioned flexibility and exploration. While both schools certainly have a strong pre-professional element, Duke simply has a lighter feel permeating campus. This was also the reason I eliminated Harvard; while attending Visitas I realized the campus life felt dry and inanimate, and the people I met felt less united and friendly. I’m not sure if you felt the same visiting Princeton or Yale.
I know I just threw a lot at you, but tldr: find which school has the environment, flexibility, and people you want to be around for your 4 years. For me that was Duke, for you that may be Princeton or Yale, but truly the opportunities afforded to you at all of these schools will be largely similar, so optimize for other factors. Best of luck and let me know if you have any more questions!”[/quote
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Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:46
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
If it's useful I saw this on Reddit today and it seems pretty relevant to your interests. It looks like a text someone got from a Duke student while trying to decide between Penn, Duke, Yale, and Princeton (they seem to have picked Duke ultimately):
“Hey ___, ___ told me you’re interested in ___ and are deciding between a few schools including Duke and Penn. Happy to share how I came to my decision although we have different scenarios. I was deciding between Duke, Harvard, and the Huntsman dual-degree program with Wharton and CAS at Penn. It was tough delineating clear differences between the three, but as I talked to more students and understood the offerings across economics and policy-oriented fields, I was able to get a sense of where I wanted to be.
To start off, my first elimination was Penn as I realized Huntsman was actually very limiting. There are requirements for classes and summers that are inimical to exploration throughout the four years. Many of the kids are overloading on classes to fit everything and have difficulty finding time to get heavily involved with activities and programs outside of classes. The ones that do are incredibly stressed and constantly overworked, which might work for some people, but that was not what how I wanted to experience college. This inclination towards optionality ended up being a significant boon in hindsight as throughout Duke my interests have shifted and expanded across multiple fields; I’ve explored and taken several classes in statistics, CS, and film along with public policy. I’ve also had ample time to be involved with Duke Student Government, volunteer programs throughout Durham, and entrepreneurial organizations on campus. In tandem I’ve found this classroom and extracurricular exploration to be incredibly fulfilling and horizon-broadening, and I still have time to pursue personal hobbies and enjoy my friends.
This leads me to my next, and perhaps most defining, reason to attend Duke. The people here are hard to categorize as a monolith, but if I had to, I’d say they’re overwhelmingly friendly, supportive, and well-rounded. Duke has a unique spirit that cannot be found at its peer schools. The school unity anchored by the basketball program brings people together in a way that’s hard to describe until you experience it. I was never a fan of basketball before Duke, but it’s incredibly fun to participate in the sports traditions on campus and see everyone come together. The beauty is that engineers, art history enthusiasts, physicists, aspiring doctors and lawyers, startup founders, etc. all congregate and share in the joy of Duke basketball and taking a break from the otherwise busy life at Duke. Of course it’s never required or expected to partake, but at a minimum it creates a certain energy and level of happiness on campus that is truly infectious. This reflects in the strong alumni network with extremely fond memories of their time at Duke who consistently go to bat for you if you reach out to ask for opportunities, connections, or just to get advice and pick their brains.
On the other hand, Penn felt more somber and gloomy. Few people were spending time outside simply relaxing, and everyone seemed to be running off to the next with little time for the aforementioned flexibility and exploration. While both schools certainly have a strong pre-professional element, Duke simply has a lighter feel permeating campus. This was also the reason I eliminated Harvard; while attending Visitas I realized the campus life felt dry and inanimate, and the people I met felt less united and friendly. I’m not sure if you felt the same visiting Princeton or Yale.
I know I just threw a lot at you, but tldr: find which school has the environment, flexibility, and people you want to be around for your 4 years. For me that was Duke, for you that may be Princeton or Yale, but truly the opportunities afforded to you at all of these schools will be largely similar, so optimize for other factors. Best of luck and let me know if you have any more questions!”
“Hey ___, ___ told me you’re interested in ___ and are deciding between a few schools including Duke and Penn. Happy to share how I came to my decision although we have different scenarios. I was deciding between Duke, Harvard, and the Huntsman dual-degree program with Wharton and CAS at Penn. It was tough delineating clear differences between the three, but as I talked to more students and understood the offerings across economics and policy-oriented fields, I was able to get a sense of where I wanted to be.
To start off, my first elimination was Penn as I realized Huntsman was actually very limiting. There are requirements for classes and summers that are inimical to exploration throughout the four years. Many of the kids are overloading on classes to fit everything and have difficulty finding time to get heavily involved with activities and programs outside of classes. The ones that do are incredibly stressed and constantly overworked, which might work for some people, but that was not what how I wanted to experience college. This inclination towards optionality ended up being a significant boon in hindsight as throughout Duke my interests have shifted and expanded across multiple fields; I’ve explored and taken several classes in statistics, CS, and film along with public policy. I’ve also had ample time to be involved with Duke Student Government, volunteer programs throughout Durham, and entrepreneurial organizations on campus. In tandem I’ve found this classroom and extracurricular exploration to be incredibly fulfilling and horizon-broadening, and I still have time to pursue personal hobbies and enjoy my friends.
This leads me to my next, and perhaps most defining, reason to attend Duke. The people here are hard to categorize as a monolith, but if I had to, I’d say they’re overwhelmingly friendly, supportive, and well-rounded. Duke has a unique spirit that cannot be found at its peer schools. The school unity anchored by the basketball program brings people together in a way that’s hard to describe until you experience it. I was never a fan of basketball before Duke, but it’s incredibly fun to participate in the sports traditions on campus and see everyone come together. The beauty is that engineers, art history enthusiasts, physicists, aspiring doctors and lawyers, startup founders, etc. all congregate and share in the joy of Duke basketball and taking a break from the otherwise busy life at Duke. Of course it’s never required or expected to partake, but at a minimum it creates a certain energy and level of happiness on campus that is truly infectious. This reflects in the strong alumni network with extremely fond memories of their time at Duke who consistently go to bat for you if you reach out to ask for opportunities, connections, or just to get advice and pick their brains.
On the other hand, Penn felt more somber and gloomy. Few people were spending time outside simply relaxing, and everyone seemed to be running off to the next with little time for the aforementioned flexibility and exploration. While both schools certainly have a strong pre-professional element, Duke simply has a lighter feel permeating campus. This was also the reason I eliminated Harvard; while attending Visitas I realized the campus life felt dry and inanimate, and the people I met felt less united and friendly. I’m not sure if you felt the same visiting Princeton or Yale.
I know I just threw a lot at you, but tldr: find which school has the environment, flexibility, and people you want to be around for your 4 years. For me that was Duke, for you that may be Princeton or Yale, but truly the opportunities afforded to you at all of these schools will be largely similar, so optimize for other factors. Best of luck and let me know if you have any more questions!”
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:45
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
Anonymous wrote:Penn Economics is a very "theoretical" department. Heavy on the math with some level of disdain for public policy matters. If your DC is keen on public policy, I would suggest Duke over Penn. If interested in a mathy exposure to economics, with a future PhD in mind, Penn may have the edge by a little bit. Other than that, they are both about the same really.
+1 on the "theoretical," quantitative aspect of Penn's Econ department. Although I suspect Duke's Econ program will be pretty quantitative too, because most top programs are these days.
But disagree strongly that Penn has a "disdain" for policy. They have classes in Econ and policy, also your kid can probably (it's been a while since I was there) take public policy classes at Wharton (yes, they have policy classes and a pretty liberal faculty despite the Trump connection) and in other departments at Penn.
I also disagree with the poster who said there's little micro at Penn's Econ department. That's just not true. Even from a business perspective, micro is really important--think marginal costs and benefits, optimization problems, and so on.
That said, Wharton tends to dominate Penn's campus in terms of money and glitzy buildings, and some Penn students resent it.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:39
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
Thank you for the notes! We will visit the campus and decide. Kid also has full ride form UMD but that's not in equation. Kid wants duke more based on his interactions and research. But decision only after admit days and campus visit.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:37
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
Penn Economics is a very "theoretical" department. Heavy on the math with some level of disdain for public policy matters. If your DC is keen on public policy, I would suggest Duke over Penn. If interested in a mathy exposure to economics, with a future PhD in mind, Penn may have the edge by a little bit. Other than that, they are both about the same really.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:36
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
From Econ perspective:
Both econ departments are strong but Penn will lean more to having business macro teachers/classes and Duke will likely be more balance and will have more micro applied public policy types. Penn Econ classes may be more business slanted and Duke is likely to be a bit more classical economics.
Duke public policy is VERY strong. (edge over Penn)
If you plan to grad school in Economics - either is fine as long as you take the math required to be prepared for a PhD program.
But if you plan to go into public policy I'd go with Duke (even if you plan to do public policy via an Econ PhD). Duke will be more in line with that route. You won't be fighting against the business econ tide.
You'll probably also have a more colaborative academic community at Duke from both professors and students. Penn is a competitive business culture. Duke is not (and neither is the public policy world).
Both econ departments are strong but Penn will lean more to having business macro teachers/classes and Duke will likely be more balance and will have more micro applied public policy types. Penn Econ classes may be more business slanted and Duke is likely to be a bit more classical economics.
Duke public policy is VERY strong. (edge over Penn)
If you plan to grad school in Economics - either is fine as long as you take the math required to be prepared for a PhD program.
But if you plan to go into public policy I'd go with Duke (even if you plan to do public policy via an Econ PhD). Duke will be more in line with that route. You won't be fighting against the business econ tide.
You'll probably also have a more colaborative academic community at Duke from both professors and students. Penn is a competitive business culture. Duke is not (and neither is the public policy world).
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:34
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
They are close enough in prestige and different enough in other ways that I'd suggest choosing based on other factors.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:33
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
You really have to visit both to decide. But if you're talking purely academically, with econ and pub pol dual I'd say Duke by a hair, can't go wrong though
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:27
Subject: Re:Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Wharton, Penn
If not, Duke
Simple.
I went to Wharton but they're more about business than Econ, even in undergrad. Penn's Econ department is really strong.
+ 1 to the distinction between Wharton and Penn's econ department
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:16
Subject: Re:Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
Anonymous wrote:If Wharton, Penn
If not, Duke
Simple.
I went to Wharton but they're more about business than Econ, even in undergrad. Penn's Econ department is really strong.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:15
Subject: Re:Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
If Wharton, Penn
If not, Duke
Simple.
If not, Duke
Simple.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:08
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
Duke as it's public policy is top ranked
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:06
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
Penn by far.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 20:00
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
Penn has always been amazing for Econ.
Anonymous
04/03/2023 19:57
Subject: Duke vs penn - Econ and public policy
My kid is accepted to both and is interested in economics and public policy. Which would you choose for your kid? Cost of attendance is the same. No merit or need award for either