Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 22:42     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

It's already income based because poor people don't pay the tickets right now.

BTW, for all the super slow drivers out there, you don't get a ticket unless you're going more than 10 over. It's not written into law (like Maryland's tolerance of 12 over is), but DC is on record as saying this is the threshold. I always go 8-9 over on 16th street, where the speed limit is artificially low at 30.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 22:38     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just curious if you have heard about this new proposed law for DC. Basically if you were to receive a ticket from a traffic camera you would get a $100 fine. If you can prove that you have a lower Household income, the price you would have to pay would be on a sliding scale. My ticket could be $100, yours could be $20.

More controversially, Mayor Bowser wants to use more than a half-billion dollars worth of revenue from a planned expansion of traffic cameras — which target speeding, red light-running, stop sign violations, and more — to help close the four-year budget gap. Under a traffic safety plan approved by the D.C. Council, the number of cameras across the city is expected to leap from 140 now to almost 500 in the coming years. But Bowser is also creating a task force to consider options of how to mitigate the cost of steep traffic camera fines on low-income drivers (including a possible sliding scale of fines depending on income) ...

I am of the camp that says "do the crime, pay the time". Why should people that break the law be treated defiantly based on income?

Thoughts?


Lol I too can print out a fake W-2.

Also aren’t the fines effectively zero now? What difference does it make if there are no repercussions for not paying the fines?


Cool, get nabbed for that too.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 22:36     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

I don't really care about how rich you are, stop threatening me with your car. If it takes a $100k fine to get you to slow down then ok. Don't do the crime if you don't want the fine.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 22:34     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

Anonymous wrote:Just curious if you have heard about this new proposed law for DC. Basically if you were to receive a ticket from a traffic camera you would get a $100 fine. If you can prove that you have a lower Household income, the price you would have to pay would be on a sliding scale. My ticket could be $100, yours could be $20.

More controversially, Mayor Bowser wants to use more than a half-billion dollars worth of revenue from a planned expansion of traffic cameras — which target speeding, red light-running, stop sign violations, and more — to help close the four-year budget gap. Under a traffic safety plan approved by the D.C. Council, the number of cameras across the city is expected to leap from 140 now to almost 500 in the coming years. But Bowser is also creating a task force to consider options of how to mitigate the cost of steep traffic camera fines on low-income drivers (including a possible sliding scale of fines depending on income) ...

I am of the camp that says "do the crime, pay the time". Why should people that break the law be treated defiantly based on income?

Thoughts?


Lol I too can print out a fake W-2.

Also aren’t the fines effectively zero now? What difference does it make if there are no repercussions for not paying the fines?
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 20:51     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why doesn’t it rise too? If you have enough money, $100 is the cost of doing business. Switzerland hit a guy going 105 over with a $1M fine


Ummm -- equal justice for all? Where does this end?

Let's play it out. I kill someone like Murdaugh did and have a pile of money, should I be sentenced to a larger sentence because I have money? Should a person with a lower HHI, having committed the same crime, get a lower sentence?

Maybe we should extend this to restaurants. I make $70K a year and you make $40K a year. iI we all order the same meal for our families, should it be based on HHI. Imagine your server saying "your meal tonight is $250 and then you see the family that had the same meal get a bill for $200. Seems crazy to me. Prove me wrong.


+100

I don’t want to subsidize poor people. If poor people can’t afford the fines then they need to drive carefully to avoid getting them. A $20 ticket is not punitive and will result in even more careless/dangerous driving.

Some of the fines are outrageous. I think a $100 fine is sufficient. It hurts the pocketbook, but it’s not unreasonable like $1000
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 20:50     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why doesn’t it rise too? If you have enough money, $100 is the cost of doing business. Switzerland hit a guy going 105 over with a $1M fine


Ummm -- equal justice for all? Where does this end?

Let's play it out. I kill someone like Murdaugh did and have a pile of money, should I be sentenced to a larger sentence because I have money? Should a person with a lower HHI, having committed the same crime, get a lower sentence?

Maybe we should extend this to restaurants. I make $70K a year and you make $40K a year. iI we all order the same meal for our families, should it be based on HHI. Imagine your server saying "your meal tonight is $250 and then you see the family that had the same meal get a bill for $200. Seems crazy to me. Prove me wrong.[
[b]/quote]

+100

I don’t want to subsidize poor people. If poor people can’t afford the fines then they need to drive carefully to avoid getting them. A $20 ticket is not punitive and will result in even more careless/dangerous driving.

Some of the fines are outrageous. I think a $100 fine is sufficient. It hurts the pocketbook, but it’s not unreasonable like $1000
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 20:33     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

Anonymous wrote:Why doesn’t it rise too? If you have enough money, $100 is the cost of doing business. Switzerland hit a guy going 105 over with a $1M fine


Ummm -- equal justice for all? Where does this end?

Let's play it out. I kill someone like Murdaugh did and have a pile of money, should I be sentenced to a larger sentence because I have money? Should a person with a lower HHI, having committed the same crime, get a lower sentence?

Maybe we should extend this to restaurants. I make $70K a year and you make $40K a year. iI we all order the same meal for our families, should it be based on HHI. Imagine your server saying "your meal tonight is $250 and then you see the family that had the same meal get a bill for $200. Seems crazy to me. Prove me wrong.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 20:10     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

Why doesn’t it rise too? If you have enough money, $100 is the cost of doing business. Switzerland hit a guy going 105 over with a $1M fine
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 20:00     Subject: Re:Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

Why should a family be plunged into the red over a traffic ticket?
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 20:00     Subject: Re:Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

In more advanced countries, this is how it goes.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 19:58     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

not death - but wealth
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 19:57     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

Anonymous wrote:Why isn't it wealth-based?


I don't understand your post. What do you mean? All fines from DC should be death based or not?
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 19:40     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

Why isn't it wealth-based?
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 19:25     Subject: Re:Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

I am with you OP, but I guess that's why I live in McLean and not DC. Bowser knows her voting block, she will do everything to keep them happy, rest can go pay the fines. I am sorry you guys have two systems of justice.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2023 19:06     Subject: Income based fines for traffic camera tickets in DC?

Just curious if you have heard about this new proposed law for DC. Basically if you were to receive a ticket from a traffic camera you would get a $100 fine. If you can prove that you have a lower Household income, the price you would have to pay would be on a sliding scale. My ticket could be $100, yours could be $20.

More controversially, Mayor Bowser wants to use more than a half-billion dollars worth of revenue from a planned expansion of traffic cameras — which target speeding, red light-running, stop sign violations, and more — to help close the four-year budget gap. Under a traffic safety plan approved by the D.C. Council, the number of cameras across the city is expected to leap from 140 now to almost 500 in the coming years. But Bowser is also creating a task force to consider options of how to mitigate the cost of steep traffic camera fines on low-income drivers (including a possible sliding scale of fines depending on income) ...

I am of the camp that says "do the crime, pay the time". Why should people that break the law be treated defiantly based on income?

Thoughts?