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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main family aside, this is what I was thinking:

All those kids apparently had parents who had "no idea?" what their kids (and they were kids) were doing in the middle of the night, and how much drinking they were doing all the time, right? Why? Everyone knew how much drinking was happening, with all of them, with Paul- but not just Paul, and how dangerous plenty of situations they had already allowed themselves to be in. No boundaries, no curfew, supervision. Kids get up to things we don't all know about, but I'm pretty sure I would have eventually figured it out and the answer would be no.
All those kids knew he was drunk behind that boat wheel. An accident was not surprising. I was surprised how there weren't many car accidents, gun accidents, etc., up to that point.

Morgan’s family seemed honestly pretty clueless about the level of drinking (and what Paul was like— he obviously could put on a good show). I think the Cook family is a different story, since they were tight socially with the Murdaughs. In the HBO doc either Anthony’s or Connor’s parents commented about how they had warned their kid that if there was trouble the Murdaughs would be out for themselves. And yet they were close friends? It sounded like they saw the family for what it was but were happy to enjoy the benefits of being close to them and allow their children to be in their orbit as well. At great price.

I think being connected to this family through their kids was a Southern thing. Status. And let me say, this isn't unusal , unfortunately. It occurs all over, but the South does it just like this.

Maybe u don’t want my kids to go to U SC after all. Will this be in his community? Sick.

Wow, it’s interesting to hear the perspective that the HBO show is forgiving. I was sick to my stomach watching it. Evil, toxic, sick.

I’ve been listening to the podcast after watching the Netflix docuseries. I am watching the HBO version and it’s definitely much more forgiving to the Murdaugh family, which is making it much harder to watch. They have “family friends” giving their testimony and it’s so delusional, I have to close my eyes to keep them from rolling right out of their sockets.

Anonymous wrote:This was a stunning story of absolute wickedness. Cannot believe this famil, but corruption like this is a tale as old as time.

Agree with the OP that many Southern towns are like this. When I was in college I dated a white Southern boy from a Civil War-era family...they still had the family estate with slave cabins on it. He was a total entitled narcissist and a drunk. While he wasn't as violent as Paul Murdaugh was in this documentary, he DID slap me, belittle me, and cheat on me. He also boasted about his boating skills, like Paul in this documentary. I had very low self-esteem while in college...boy was he a lesson for me! So I felt very sorry for the girls who were interviewed, like Paul's ex-gf. I recognized her pain.

The amount of casual murder is just stunning though. The gay kid and the housekeeper?!!

Hope that Murdaugh patriarch gets put away for life.

That stunned me too. I wish we'd seen more context for the arguments that the family killed those people. It was stunning to me.

I'm very sorry you've experienced this type of domestic abuse as well. Hugs. Glad you've moved on from it.

Anonymous wrote:I have some mixed feelings on Mandy Matney, but I have listened to EVERY EPISODE of her podcast. The self-promotion can get old but she’s trying to make a living from this— and TBH she had a HUGE role in exposing a lot of the story. I also really like the vibe between her, Liz Farrell, and Eric Bland on the Cup of Justice spin-off.

+1

It has been incredible actually watching the people/characters we have only heard about over the last 1.5 years on the podcast. And every time I get annoyed by MM's self congrats and even the OTT victim family hugging, I still have to give her credit where it is due. We are where we are in large part because of her hard work and persistence.

She started the podcast because she was frustrated with the misinformation and lack of information and lazy reporting done by national news and even some of the local news. So I understand she feels a good deal of ownership of the story and she takes a pretty hard line on it. In addition to the producer and contract issues with Netflix, I think she had a falling-out with the WSJ reporter on the show.

This was a stunning story of absolute wickedness. Cannot believe this famil, but corruption like this is a tale as old as time.

Agree with the OP that many Southern towns are like this. When I was in college I dated a white Southern boy from a Civil War-era family...they still had the family estate with slave cabins on it. He was a total entitled narcissist and a drunk. While he wasn't as violent as Paul Murdaugh was in this documentary, he DID slap me, belittle me, and cheat on me. He also boasted about his boating skills, like Paul in this documentary. I had very low self-esteem while in college...boy was he a lesson for me! So I felt very sorry for the girls who were interviewed, like Paul's ex-gf. I recognized her pain.

The amount of casual murder is just stunning though. The gay kid and the housekeeper?!!

Hope that Murdaugh patriarch gets put away for life.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main family aside, this is what I was thinking:

All those kids apparently had parents who had "no idea?" what their kids (and they were kids) were doing in the middle of the night, and how much drinking they were doing all the time, right? Why? Everyone knew how much drinking was happening, with all of them, with Paul- but not just Paul, and how dangerous plenty of situations they had already allowed themselves to be in. No boundaries, no curfew, supervision. Kids get up to things we don't all know about, but I'm pretty sure I would have eventually figured it out and the answer would be no.
All those kids knew he was drunk behind that boat wheel. An accident was not surprising. I was surprised how there weren't many car accidents, gun accidents, etc., up to that point.

Morgan’s family seemed honestly pretty clueless about the level of drinking (and what Paul was like— he obviously could put on a good show). I think the Cook family is a different story, since they were tight socially with the Murdaughs. In the HBO doc either Anthony’s or Connor’s parents commented about how they had warned their kid that if there was trouble the Murdaughs would be out for themselves. And yet they were close friends? It sounded like they saw the family for what it was but were happy to enjoy the benefits of being close to them and allow their children to be in their orbit as well. At great price.

I think being connected to this family through their kids was a Southern thing. Status. And let me say, this isn't unusal , unfortunately. It occurs all over, but the South does it just like this.

I have some mixed feelings on Mandy Matney, but I have listened to EVERY EPISODE of her podcast. The self-promotion can get old but she’s trying to make a living from this— and TBH she had a HUGE role in exposing a lot of the story. I also really like the vibe between her, Liz Farrell, and Eric Bland on the Cup of Justice spin-off.

Anonymous wrote:The main family aside, this is what I was thinking:

All those kids apparently had parents who had "no idea?" what their kids (and they were kids) were doing in the middle of the night, and how much drinking they were doing all the time, right? Why? Everyone knew how much drinking was happening, with all of them, with Paul- but not just Paul, and how dangerous plenty of situations they had already allowed themselves to be in. No boundaries, no curfew, supervision. Kids get up to things we don't all know about, but I'm pretty sure I would have eventually figured it out and the answer would be no.
All those kids knew he was drunk behind that boat wheel. An accident was not surprising. I was surprised how there weren't many car accidents, gun accidents, etc., up to that point.

Morgan’s family seemed honestly pretty clueless about the level of drinking (and what Paul was like— he obviously could put on a good show). I think the Cook family is a different story, since they were tight socially with the Murdaughs. In the HBO doc either Anthony’s or Connor’s parents commented about how they had warned their kid that if there was trouble the Murdaughs would be out for themselves. And yet they were close friends? It sounded like they saw the family for what it was but were happy to enjoy the benefits of being close to them and allow their children to be in their orbit as well. At great price.

Anonymous wrote:The main family aside, this is what I was thinking:

All those kids apparently had parents who had "no idea?" what their kids (and they were kids) were doing in the middle of the night, and how much drinking they were doing all the time, right? Why? Everyone knew how much drinking was happening, with all of them, with Paul- but not just Paul, and how dangerous plenty of situations they had already allowed themselves to be in. No boundaries, no curfew, supervision. Kids get up to things we don't all know about, but I'm pretty sure I would have eventually figured it out and the answer would be no.
All those kids knew he was drunk behind that boat wheel. An accident was not surprising. I was surprised how there weren't many car accidents, gun accidents, etc., up to that point.

Agreed. Spoiler-ish alert: I felt so bad when Paul’s girlfriend was talking about the abuse and her parents didn’t know, but then again they dated for four years?! Seems like plenty of time for the parents to see what a POS Paul was. What a crazy documentary - by the second or third episode, I basically felt no sadness that Paul and Maggie were killed - they sound like trash.

I’m binging it tonight. I finished the first episode.

Riveting!

God, what a wretched, entitled, disgusting family they are. They represent the worst of this country.

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The main family aside, this is what I was thinking:

All those kids apparently had parents who had "no idea?" what their kids (and they were kids) were doing in the middle of the night, and how much drinking they were doing all the time, right? Why? Everyone knew how much drinking was happening, with all of them, with Paul- but not just Paul, and how dangerous plenty of situations they had already allowed themselves to be in. No boundaries, no curfew, supervision. Kids get up to things we don't all know about, but I'm pretty sure I would have eventually figured it out and the answer would be no.
All those kids knew he was drunk behind that boat wheel. An accident was not surprising. I was surprised how there weren't many car accidents, gun accidents, etc., up to that point.

I am not watching the show but I am following the trial. Has that been discussed?

I'm planning to watch this. I've been watching Mandy's podcasts on youtube. What a horrible family! They hurt so many people. Mandy chose not to be involved with the documentary. I've seen her mention it a few times on twitter, the film makers treated witnesses horribly.

https://twitter.com/MandyMatney/status/1628530902568472576

Just binged the three episodes. So good and wow, what a weird and horrible family. The kids are sociopaths. I listened to the podcast for awhile (with Mandy Matnee) but got tired of the self-congratulatory tone. Surprised though that Mandy isn’t interviewed in doc. I grew up in the south around families like this, it’s just a whole different world.