Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 21:39     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Anonymous wrote:Good points. Wondering how they’re going to get the Republican majority South Carolina legislature on board to change the date of the primary. Maybe they’ll refuse and New Hampshire will end up being first anyway.


South Carolina is already an early state, just not first. They moved up as much as the parties allowed. South Carolina Republicans will want to move up their primary as well. They also don’t think much of Iowa and New Hampshire getting to narrow the field.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 20:44     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I predicted this after the disaster that was Iowa in 2020 and it appears as if Iowa might finally lose its first in the nation status. This is fantastic because IMO caucuses are inherently undemocratic (little d democratic) plus Iowa is way more white and rural than the rest of America and as such has very little to do with the Democratic Party. New Hampshire with the first primary has similar issues. Since 2020 a lot of people have been floating Illinois, Nevada, Michigan etc. instead, will be interesting to see how this pans out. Huge loss for the economies in IA and NH though.



Although "Iowa is way more white and rural than the rest of America," it was Iowa that gave Barack Obama his big impetus in his first Democratic primary. A bit ironic.


Iowa used to not suck.
Now it does.
Sad.


Iowa doesnt suck. You suck.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 20:41     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I predicted this after the disaster that was Iowa in 2020 and it appears as if Iowa might finally lose its first in the nation status. This is fantastic because IMO caucuses are inherently undemocratic (little d democratic) plus Iowa is way more white and rural than the rest of America and as such has very little to do with the Democratic Party. New Hampshire with the first primary has similar issues. Since 2020 a lot of people have been floating Illinois, Nevada, Michigan etc. instead, will be interesting to see how this pans out. Huge loss for the economies in IA and NH though.



Although "Iowa is way more white and rural than the rest of America," it was Iowa that gave Barack Obama his big impetus in his first Democratic primary. A bit ironic.


Democrat primary voters in Iowa tend to be farther left of Democrats nationally. Bernie's done well there several times, and Pete won in 2020.

I have a lot of Democratic family in Iowa. They're extremely active and motivated, but it sometimes feels like they're overcompensating.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 20:14     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I predicted this after the disaster that was Iowa in 2020 and it appears as if Iowa might finally lose its first in the nation status. This is fantastic because IMO caucuses are inherently undemocratic (little d democratic) plus Iowa is way more white and rural than the rest of America and as such has very little to do with the Democratic Party. New Hampshire with the first primary has similar issues. Since 2020 a lot of people have been floating Illinois, Nevada, Michigan etc. instead, will be interesting to see how this pans out. Huge loss for the economies in IA and NH though.



Although "Iowa is way more white and rural than the rest of America," it was Iowa that gave Barack Obama his big impetus in his first Democratic primary. A bit ironic.


Iowa used to not suck.
Now it does.
Sad.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 19:31     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why are the democrats letting a state that they have zero chance of winning go first?

Because in a primary it doesn’t matter whether you can win the state or not. Although I agree North Carolina would be better.


No way

You want a state that reflects the party

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-if-early-democratic-primary-states-looked-more-like-the-party/
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 18:12     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why are the democrats letting a state that they have zero chance of winning go first?

Because in a primary it doesn’t matter whether you can win the state or not. Although I agree North Carolina would be better.


You’re spending a ton of money introducing yourself to a state you will never win


How's Iowa going?
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 17:58     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Anonymous wrote:I predicted this after the disaster that was Iowa in 2020 and it appears as if Iowa might finally lose its first in the nation status. This is fantastic because IMO caucuses are inherently undemocratic (little d democratic) plus Iowa is way more white and rural than the rest of America and as such has very little to do with the Democratic Party. New Hampshire with the first primary has similar issues. Since 2020 a lot of people have been floating Illinois, Nevada, Michigan etc. instead, will be interesting to see how this pans out. Huge loss for the economies in IA and NH though.



Although "Iowa is way more white and rural than the rest of America," it was Iowa that gave Barack Obama his big impetus in his first Democratic primary. A bit ironic.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 17:50     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why are the democrats letting a state that they have zero chance of winning go first?

Because in a primary it doesn’t matter whether you can win the state or not. Although I agree North Carolina would be better.


You’re spending a ton of money introducing yourself to a state you will never win

The first primary gets national coverage.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 17:38     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why are the democrats letting a state that they have zero chance of winning go first?

Because in a primary it doesn’t matter whether you can win the state or not. Although I agree North Carolina would be better.


You’re spending a ton of money introducing yourself to a state you will never win
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 16:44     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Anonymous wrote:Why are the democrats letting a state that they have zero chance of winning go first?

Because in a primary it doesn’t matter whether you can win the state or not. Although I agree North Carolina would be better.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 16:36     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Why are the democrats letting a state that they have zero chance of winning go first?
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 16:32     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
Good points. Wondering how they’re going to get the Republican majority South Carolina legislature on board to change the date of the primary. Maybe they’ll refuse and New Hampshire will end up being first anyway.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 16:30     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
(1) Jim Clyburn knows how to twist the screws. (let's call him "the puppetmaster")

(2) As a native Iowan, it's ridiculous to have Iowa first anymore (or ever). Bring on the changes!

(3) I'm curious how NH is going to react to this and if they'll still shove their primary ahead somehow.

(4) Caucuses are ridiculous and should not be a part of this process. Primaries -- yes. Caucuses -- no.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2022 15:59     Subject: Re:2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
A lot of people are saying Nevada should be first, but Nevada counts way too slow IMO. Here’s the proposed new calendar:

Anonymous
Post 12/01/2022 20:11     Subject: 2024 Order of Operations: Presidential Primaries and Caucuses
I predicted this after the disaster that was Iowa in 2020 and it appears as if Iowa might finally lose its first in the nation status. This is fantastic because IMO caucuses are inherently undemocratic (little d democratic) plus Iowa is way more white and rural than the rest of America and as such has very little to do with the Democratic Party. New Hampshire with the first primary has similar issues. Since 2020 a lot of people have been floating Illinois, Nevada, Michigan etc. instead, will be interesting to see how this pans out. Huge loss for the economies in IA and NH though.