Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 14:38     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Italy is still a misogynistic country, and very few women have high level jobs.

https://www.thelocal.it/20181212/why-are-there-so-few-women-in-italys-most-powerful-jobs/

Even if the girls get better grades in school, it's not translating to more higher paying jobs.


This sounds like the response when people point out that boys have higher dropout rates, lower college admission and graduation rates, etc. "Since the president is a man, since more board members and law/medicine partners are men, who cares?"


? Read the dam$ article. Italy has a female workforce problem.

Here's another: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/05/italys-problem-with-working-women-made-worse-by-coronavirus-349561

And I say this as a mom of a boy and girl.


I have family in Italy. They don't have a female workforce problem. They have a job problem, as in there aren't very many jobs at all.

But either way, giving boys lower grades for the same competency hurts boys but doesn't help girls. So it's not a solution for any problem.

there aren't many jobs, but the culture there doesn't value women in the workforce. It's a really misogynistic culture. Don't get me wrong.. I love Italy. I honeymooned there, but I would not want to live there as a mother.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 14:26     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To me that just means that girls are better students. They tend to study more, so I'd expect them to do better on class room tests. Standardized tests aren't as heavily weighted towards those with good study habits, so I'd expect that advantage to disappear.

yes, my DS in a HS magnet program even says that girls are better students and care way more about grades and school than boys.

Boys are not well suited to the classroom setting of sitting still and listening, and wanting to please the teacher.

Obviously, that doesn't mean that boys aren't smart. But, they aren't school smart as much as girls are, but when they take standardized tests, boys often score better in math, especially.


It is well known in the US that boys score better on tests, including finals and standardized tests, than on classwork, homework, etc., and girls score better on classwork and homework than on big tests. So changing grading to give more weight to classwork, homework, and participation helps girls'grades and hurts boys' grades. Since we want to grade for equity, then we change grades this way. But is it really equitable?
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 14:21     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Italy is still a misogynistic country, and very few women have high level jobs.

https://www.thelocal.it/20181212/why-are-there-so-few-women-in-italys-most-powerful-jobs/

Even if the girls get better grades in school, it's not translating to more higher paying jobs.


This sounds like the response when people point out that boys have higher dropout rates, lower college admission and graduation rates, etc. "Since the president is a man, since more board members and law/medicine partners are men, who cares?"


? Read the dam$ article. Italy has a female workforce problem.

Here's another: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/05/italys-problem-with-working-women-made-worse-by-coronavirus-349561

And I say this as a mom of a boy and girl.


I have family in Italy. They don't have a female workforce problem. They have a job problem, as in there aren't very many jobs at all.

But either way, giving boys lower grades for the same competency hurts boys but doesn't help girls. So it's not a solution for any problem.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 14:09     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Anonymous wrote:To me that just means that girls are better students. They tend to study more, so I'd expect them to do better on class room tests. Standardized tests aren't as heavily weighted towards those with good study habits, so I'd expect that advantage to disappear.

yes, my DS in a HS magnet program even says that girls are better students and care way more about grades and school than boys.

Boys are not well suited to the classroom setting of sitting still and listening, and wanting to please the teacher.

Obviously, that doesn't mean that boys aren't smart. But, they aren't school smart as much as girls are, but when they take standardized tests, boys often score better in math, especially.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 14:07     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Italy is still a misogynistic country, and very few women have high level jobs.

https://www.thelocal.it/20181212/why-are-there-so-few-women-in-italys-most-powerful-jobs/

Even if the girls get better grades in school, it's not translating to more higher paying jobs.


This sounds like the response when people point out that boys have higher dropout rates, lower college admission and graduation rates, etc. "Since the president is a man, since more board members and law/medicine partners are men, who cares?"


? Read the dam$ article. Italy has a female workforce problem.

Here's another: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/05/italys-problem-with-working-women-made-worse-by-coronavirus-349561

And I say this as a mom of a boy and girl.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 14:03     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
To me that just means that girls are better students. They tend to study more, so I'd expect them to do better on class room tests. Standardized tests aren't as heavily weighted towards those with good study habits, so I'd expect that advantage to disappear.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 13:59     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Anonymous wrote:Italy is still a misogynistic country, and very few women have high level jobs.

https://www.thelocal.it/20181212/why-are-there-so-few-women-in-italys-most-powerful-jobs/

Even if the girls get better grades in school, it's not translating to more higher paying jobs.


This sounds like the response when people point out that boys have higher dropout rates, lower college admission and graduation rates, etc. "Since the president is a man, since more board members and law/medicine partners are men, who cares?"

Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 13:56     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Italy is still a misogynistic country, and very few women have high level jobs.

https://www.thelocal.it/20181212/why-are-there-so-few-women-in-italys-most-powerful-jobs/

Even if the girls get better grades in school, it's not translating to more higher paying jobs.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 13:54     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Here is the study. "We use a sample of about 39,000 students from two cohorts who were enrolled in 10th grade in the academic years 2015–2016 and 2016–2017."

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01425692.2022.2122942
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 13:49     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Any short duration study using Covid school shutdown years isn’t going to go very far.

Plus one test score does not make your class grade.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 13:45     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Anonymous wrote:Teachers in Italy (and in other countries) give higher grades to girls than boys in math, even when the boys score better on anonymous standardized testing. This impacts higher level education choices and vocation in the future.

https://scitechdaily.com/wide-and-lasting-consequences-teachers-give-girls-higher-grades-than-boys/


What part of a grade is based on behavior and manners, absenteeism, showing your work, following directions, or not turning in work on time?
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 10:15     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Anonymous wrote:Italy is one of the most sexist places I have ever lived.


It is very conservative. The researchers noticed the same disparity in other countries but said that the reason or cause might be different.

Or maybe the reason is the same.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 10:07     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Italy is one of the most sexist places I have ever lived.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 10:05     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Good thing we don't live in Italy.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2022 09:55     Subject: Teachers in Italy give higher grades to girls than boys with the same competency
Teachers in Italy (and in other countries) give higher grades to girls than boys in math, even when the boys score better on anonymous standardized testing. This impacts higher level education choices and vocation in the future.

https://scitechdaily.com/wide-and-lasting-consequences-teachers-give-girls-higher-grades-than-boys/