Anonymous
11/14/2022 16:17
Subject: Re:I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If mail in voting is fine for the military, then it's fine for me.
Are you in the military? Are you unable to vote in person? If so, then I agree.
Otherwise, sorry, but not everyone can take the time off to vote in person on that specific day.
Then that would seem to be a legitimate reason for an absentee ballot.
To be clear: I want every eligible voter who wants to vote to be able to do so with a minimum of time and frustration spent. But I do not favor universal mail-in voting or early voting. As I noted above. And I am not a Republican (or Democrat).
If mail in ballot is fine for x group why can't it be for y group? Why make voting difficult? I don't see an issue with universal mail in voting.
Anyone who wants to can vote by mail in Florida. I don't see Rs looking to change it here. I vote by mail in Florida and I hate our results but I like our process.
Plus, PP, you have to understand that for people who vote early, we're not looking for every last shred of information. What the heck is Ron DeSantis or Blake Masters or Dr. Oz going to tell me tomorrow that is going to change my vote against them? Do you really think that if I were voting early for John Fetterman, there's some last minute thing that's going to make me decide not to - and yes that includes him having a stroke. Early voters are partisan voters. It's people who think of themselves as independent or swing voters who want to wait and just see (what exactly, in this climate?!). So in other words, you are free to wait - while I know who I am voting for the day the primary is decided. Your preference shouldn't limit my voting options.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 16:09
Subject: Re:I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
I don't see an issue with universal mail in voting.
You are not concerned about breaking the ballot chain of custody? You trust the postal service to deliver 100% of ballots on time and to the correct address? You trust that all ballots will be completed in secret? You trust that ballots can be verified without giving up the privacy of one's vote? You are an awfully trusting person.
Those two positions are totally at odds.
Disagree. Not everyone needs to vote early or by mail. Most do just fine by voting on election day. The absentee ballot option exists for those who cannot.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 16:06
Subject: Re:I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
To be clear: I want every eligible voter who wants to vote to be able to do so with a minimum of time and frustration spent. But I do not favor universal mail-in voting or early voting.
Those two positions are totally at odds.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 16:05
Subject: Re:I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
Anonymous wrote:If mail in voting is fine for the military, then it's fine for me.
Are you in the military? Are you unable to vote in person? If so, then I agree.
Otherwise, sorry, but not everyone can take the time off to vote in person on that specific day.
Then that would seem to be a legitimate reason for an absentee ballot.
To be clear: I want every eligible voter who wants to vote to be able to do so with a minimum of time and frustration spent. But I do not favor universal mail-in voting or early voting. As I noted above. And I am not a Republican (or Democrat).
If mail in ballot is fine for x group why can't it be for y group? Why make voting difficult? I don't see an issue with universal mail in voting.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 16:04
Subject: I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
Try to get as many eligible voters to vote as possible. Having several options will increase the number of people that can participate.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 16:02
Subject: Re:I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
If mail in voting is fine for the military, then it's fine for me.
Are you in the military? Are you unable to vote in person? If so, then I agree.
Otherwise, sorry, but not everyone can take the time off to vote in person on that specific day.
Then that would seem to be a legitimate reason for an absentee ballot.
To be clear: I want every eligible voter who wants to vote to be able to do so with a minimum of time and frustration spent. But I do not favor universal mail-in voting or early voting. As I noted above. And I am not a Republican (or Democrat).
Anonymous
11/14/2022 15:52
Subject: Re:I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
Anonymous wrote:Not a Republican, so I can't speak for them, but I don't really like early voting, either. I think that there is something to be said for having everyone vote based upon the same information. What happens if a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated or drops out of the electoral race between when a voter votes and the actual election day?
As for mail-in voting: I'm certainly in favor of it when it is actually needed (voter unable to vote in person or out of town), but not on a universal basis. It breaks the chain-of-custody for ballots and potentially breaks the idea of a secret ballot. In an ideal world, the number of mailed-in ballots would be low enough that it would not make a difference in election outcomes.
I realize that vote fraud is low in the US, and I am not calling mail-in ballots fraudulent, but I do think that it is important for elections to appear to be legitimate, in addition to actually being legitimate. This is why I also support required voter identification at polling places (and, along with that, free identification available to any eligible voter). Again, I don't personally see any of this as solving an actual problem, but it would reduce the chances for a losing candidate for office to be able to convince people that election results are illegitimate, and that would be a good thing for democracy in general.
If mail in voting is fine for the military, then it's fine for me.
If you want everyone to vote on the same day in person, then lobby for election day to be a national day off, no exceptions. That's how other countries like Australia do it.
Otherwise, sorry, but not everyone can take the time off to vote in person on that specific day.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 15:44
Subject: Re:I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
Not a Republican, so I can't speak for them, but I don't really like early voting, either. I think that there is something to be said for having everyone vote based upon the same information. What happens if a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated or drops out of the electoral race between when a voter votes and the actual election day?
As for mail-in voting: I'm certainly in favor of it when it is actually needed (voter unable to vote in person or out of town), but not on a universal basis. It breaks the chain-of-custody for ballots and potentially breaks the idea of a secret ballot. In an ideal world, the number of mailed-in ballots would be low enough that it would not make a difference in election outcomes.
I realize that vote fraud is low in the US, and I am not calling mail-in ballots fraudulent, but I do think that it is important for elections to appear to be legitimate, in addition to actually being legitimate. This is why I also support required voter identification at polling places (and, along with that, free identification available to any eligible voter). Again, I don't personally see any of this as solving an actual problem, but it would reduce the chances for a losing candidate for office to be able to convince people that election results are illegitimate, and that would be a good thing for democracy in general.
As for mail-in voting: I'm certainly in favor of it when it is actually needed (voter unable to vote in person or out of town), but not on a universal basis. It breaks the chain-of-custody for ballots and potentially breaks the idea of a secret ballot. In an ideal world, the number of mailed-in ballots would be low enough that it would not make a difference in election outcomes.
I realize that vote fraud is low in the US, and I am not calling mail-in ballots fraudulent, but I do think that it is important for elections to appear to be legitimate, in addition to actually being legitimate. This is why I also support required voter identification at polling places (and, along with that, free identification available to any eligible voter). Again, I don't personally see any of this as solving an actual problem, but it would reduce the chances for a losing candidate for office to be able to convince people that election results are illegitimate, and that would be a good thing for democracy in general.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 15:43
Subject: I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I mean I get that it would make a ton of Dems less likely to vote if you can't take off work, find childcare, etc.
But a lot of old people would hate that too!!! And a lot of Republicans are working class people who would have trouble getting off work!
Honestly my parents in their mid 70s and aunts etc. all vote Trump and all voted early. My mom and my aunts would have SEVERE anxiety about having to stand in line to vote. They can't do it. They have no stamina due to declining health, and my mother is actually reasonably healthy but after being retired for years she has grown accustomed to running all errands etc. at off hours and this would really make her anxious if she thought she had to stand in line for hours.
And I don't think many of them would do it.
Republicans must know this - are they just bluffing? Just trying to feed the lie that the election was rigged? Or would they really try to end early and mail in voting?
They want to end mail-in voting in states/districts where it doesn’t benefit them and keep it where it does.
right.. which is why they don't complain about the military doing mailin voting.
This is America, people aren’t gonna complain about the military. Period.
Didn't they try to stop the military vote in PA?
Anonymous
11/14/2022 15:34
Subject: I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I mean I get that it would make a ton of Dems less likely to vote if you can't take off work, find childcare, etc.
But a lot of old people would hate that too!!! And a lot of Republicans are working class people who would have trouble getting off work!
Honestly my parents in their mid 70s and aunts etc. all vote Trump and all voted early. My mom and my aunts would have SEVERE anxiety about having to stand in line to vote. They can't do it. They have no stamina due to declining health, and my mother is actually reasonably healthy but after being retired for years she has grown accustomed to running all errands etc. at off hours and this would really make her anxious if she thought she had to stand in line for hours.
And I don't think many of them would do it.
Republicans must know this - are they just bluffing? Just trying to feed the lie that the election was rigged? Or would they really try to end early and mail in voting?
They want to end mail-in voting in states/districts where it doesn’t benefit them and keep it where it does.
right.. which is why they don't complain about the military doing mailin voting.
This is America, people aren’t gonna complain about the military. Period.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 15:32
Subject: I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I mean I get that it would make a ton of Dems less likely to vote if you can't take off work, find childcare, etc.
But a lot of old people would hate that too!!! And a lot of Republicans are working class people who would have trouble getting off work!
Honestly my parents in their mid 70s and aunts etc. all vote Trump and all voted early. My mom and my aunts would have SEVERE anxiety about having to stand in line to vote. They can't do it. They have no stamina due to declining health, and my mother is actually reasonably healthy but after being retired for years she has grown accustomed to running all errands etc. at off hours and this would really make her anxious if she thought she had to stand in line for hours.
And I don't think many of them would do it.
Republicans must know this - are they just bluffing? Just trying to feed the lie that the election was rigged? Or would they really try to end early and mail in voting?
They want to end mail-in voting in states/districts where it doesn’t benefit them and keep it where it does.
right.. which is why they don't complain about the military doing mailin voting.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 15:31
Subject: I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
they can't count on those feeble old people's votes for much longer, so they don't care about them.
I've been voting early by mail for over a decade, and I've voted for R several times.
This is clearly an attempt to disenfranchise lower income, POC. That plus the gerrymandering is the only way they can win now a days.
I've been voting early by mail for over a decade, and I've voted for R several times.
This is clearly an attempt to disenfranchise lower income, POC. That plus the gerrymandering is the only way they can win now a days.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 15:31
Subject: I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
Anonymous wrote:I mean I get that it would make a ton of Dems less likely to vote if you can't take off work, find childcare, etc.
But a lot of old people would hate that too!!! And a lot of Republicans are working class people who would have trouble getting off work!
Honestly my parents in their mid 70s and aunts etc. all vote Trump and all voted early. My mom and my aunts would have SEVERE anxiety about having to stand in line to vote. They can't do it. They have no stamina due to declining health, and my mother is actually reasonably healthy but after being retired for years she has grown accustomed to running all errands etc. at off hours and this would really make her anxious if she thought she had to stand in line for hours.
And I don't think many of them would do it.
Republicans must know this - are they just bluffing? Just trying to feed the lie that the election was rigged? Or would they really try to end early and mail in voting?
They want to end mail-in voting in states/districts where it doesn’t benefit them and keep it where it does.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 15:29
Subject: Re:I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
GOP loves absentee voting - they made serious bank off it for years. But once states started updating "absentee" voting to 21st century norms, including EV and drop boxes, they were like "oh hell no - regular people are not getting in on this action."
Does raise the question of how much fraud the GOP was committing in ballot harvesting and dead person voters if they are going to suddenly push back on more modern methods of absentee voting.
Does raise the question of how much fraud the GOP was committing in ballot harvesting and dead person voters if they are going to suddenly push back on more modern methods of absentee voting.
Anonymous
11/14/2022 15:24
Subject: I REALLY don't get republican obsession with ending mail in and early voting
I mean I get that it would make a ton of Dems less likely to vote if you can't take off work, find childcare, etc.
But a lot of old people would hate that too!!! And a lot of Republicans are working class people who would have trouble getting off work!
Honestly my parents in their mid 70s and aunts etc. all vote Trump and all voted early. My mom and my aunts would have SEVERE anxiety about having to stand in line to vote. They can't do it. They have no stamina due to declining health, and my mother is actually reasonably healthy but after being retired for years she has grown accustomed to running all errands etc. at off hours and this would really make her anxious if she thought she had to stand in line for hours.
And I don't think many of them would do it.
Republicans must know this - are they just bluffing? Just trying to feed the lie that the election was rigged? Or would they really try to end early and mail in voting?
But a lot of old people would hate that too!!! And a lot of Republicans are working class people who would have trouble getting off work!
Honestly my parents in their mid 70s and aunts etc. all vote Trump and all voted early. My mom and my aunts would have SEVERE anxiety about having to stand in line to vote. They can't do it. They have no stamina due to declining health, and my mother is actually reasonably healthy but after being retired for years she has grown accustomed to running all errands etc. at off hours and this would really make her anxious if she thought she had to stand in line for hours.
And I don't think many of them would do it.
Republicans must know this - are they just bluffing? Just trying to feed the lie that the election was rigged? Or would they really try to end early and mail in voting?