Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got one of those for exactly that reason. Saw no way in the picture to prove what happened and just paid it. The picture didn't show the ambulance behind me. Just me blowing a red light. The people who look at these cannot have the mind to connect my picture to the next one of the ambulance.

it’s a video not a picture. There is a link on the ticket itself. If you watched the video maybe it shows you were in the wrong after all….. just sayin

In MD it’s a picture mailed to you not a video. Think about other scenarios. Just suggestin’

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I got a ticket for this about 5 years ago. Contested the ticket. Was found “in violation of running a red signal” by the adjudicator within 10 seconds of sitting down at her desk. I appeal. “F you, pay me”

If I’m ever in that scenario again I’m sitting there at the light until it turns green. The ambulance or fire truck or police car will just have to wait.


DC govt has only itself to blame.


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You’re not hurting the DC government. You’re hurting the family whose house is burning down, or the woman who has someone breaking in, or the grandmother having a heart attack, or the baby choking.

But if you’re lucky, when you need help, maybe it will give somebody else the opportunity to join your cause by delaying your ambulance. If you die, that will really show the DC government . . . absolutely nothing. [/quote]

Then the government can stop ticketing people for doing this or change the law. But, you won't get a ticket for not doing it, since you aren't supposed to. Why do you think the government issues a ticket if this is what they want? [/quote]

I 100% agree the government should not ticket those cases. By all means, fight the ticket in court. Vote to change local officials. Write editorials and draft petitions. Those are things the government will notice.

Somebody dying because you wanted to spite the government, or you dying because someone else decided to make a similar statement, will not bother the government one iota. Most likely, your death’s only impact on the DC government will mean that one bureaucrat sitting in a cubicle somewhere will spend maybe two minutes entering your death in the system.

You shouldn’t make way for emergency vehicles because of the government’s wishes or policies. You should do it because a real human being is in desperate need of that help and you should do it because you would want others to do it for you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got a ticket for this about 5 years ago. Contested the ticket. Was found “in violation of running a red signal” by the adjudicator within 10 seconds of sitting down at her desk. I appeal. “F you, pay me”

If I’m ever in that scenario again I’m sitting there at the light until it turns green. The ambulance or fire truck or police car will just have to wait.


DC govt has only itself to blame.

You’re not hurting the DC government. You’re hurting the family whose house is burning down, or the woman who has someone breaking in, or the grandmother having a heart attack, or the baby choking.

But if you’re lucky, when you need help, maybe it will give somebody else the opportunity to join your cause by delaying your ambulance. If you die, that will really show the DC government . . . absolutely nothing.

Then the government can stop ticketing people for doing this or change the law. But, you won't get a ticket for not doing it, since you aren't supposed to. Why do you think the government issues a ticket if this is what they want?

Anonymous wrote:I got a ticket for this about 5 years ago. Contested the ticket. Was found “in violation of running a red signal” by the adjudicator within 10 seconds of sitting down at her desk. I appeal. “F you, pay me”

If I’m ever in that scenario again I’m sitting there at the light until it turns green. The ambulance or fire truck or police car will just have to wait.


DC govt has only itself to blame.

You’re not hurting the DC government. You’re hurting the family whose house is burning down, or the woman who has someone breaking in, or the grandmother having a heart attack, or the baby choking.

But if you’re lucky, when you need help, maybe it will give somebody else the opportunity to join your cause by delaying your ambulance. If you die, that will really show the DC government . . . absolutely nothing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can proceed legally through a red signal only as authorized by a LEO. OTOH, it’s fairly easy to determine whether there is a red light camera at an intersection and, if not, yield to the emergency vehicle by moving forward when safe to do so. Just exercise reasonable judgement recognizing that one or more lives might depend on your decision. Saying only DC is to blame is childish binary thinking.

Laws are childish and binary. So is requiring payment of a ticket that was clearly the result of yielding to an emergency vehicle.

They can wait.

Well actually no they can’t hence the flashing lights and siren. Grow up. People need emergency help and all you can think about is your wallet.

You aren't required to run a red light and unsafely move into an intersection against the light. You are only required to move to the right. Maybe people are also concerned about not making stupid decisions and getting themselves injured or killed instead of just about their wallet. The ambulance doesn't expect chaos around them as people make stupid decisions pulling every which way into traffic and against the light.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can proceed legally through a red signal only as authorized by a LEO. OTOH, it’s fairly easy to determine whether there is a red light camera at an intersection and, if not, yield to the emergency vehicle by moving forward when safe to do so. Just exercise reasonable judgement recognizing that one or more lives might depend on your decision. Saying only DC is to blame is childish binary thinking.

Laws are childish and binary. So is requiring payment of a ticket that was clearly the result of yielding to an emergency vehicle.

They can wait.

Well actually no they can’t hence the flashing lights and siren. Grow up. People need emergency help and all you can think about is your wallet.

Anonymous wrote:You can proceed legally through a red signal only as authorized by a LEO. OTOH, it’s fairly easy to determine whether there is a red light camera at an intersection and, if not, yield to the emergency vehicle by moving forward when safe to do so. Just exercise reasonable judgement recognizing that one or more lives might depend on your decision. Saying only DC is to blame is childish binary thinking.

Laws are childish and binary. So is requiring payment of a ticket that was clearly the result of yielding to an emergency vehicle.

They can wait.

You can proceed legally through a red signal only as authorized by a LEO. OTOH, it’s fairly easy to determine whether there is a red light camera at an intersection and, if not, yield to the emergency vehicle by moving forward when safe to do so. Just exercise reasonable judgement recognizing that one or more lives might depend on your decision. Saying only DC is to blame is childish binary thinking.

Anonymous wrote:I got a ticket for this about 5 years ago. Contested the ticket. Was found “in violation of running a red signal” by the adjudicator within 10 seconds of sitting down at her desk. I appeal. “F you, pay me”

If I’m ever in that scenario again I’m sitting there at the light until it turns green. The ambulance or fire truck or police car will just have to wait.


DC govt has only itself to blame.

“No appeal”, not “I appeal”.

Just like in the movie “Goodfellas” - F you, pay me.

I got a ticket for this about 5 years ago. Contested the ticket. Was found “in violation of running a red signal” by the adjudicator within 10 seconds of sitting down at her desk. I appeal. “F you, pay me”

If I’m ever in that scenario again I’m sitting there at the light until it turns green. The ambulance or fire truck or police car will just have to wait.


DC govt has only itself to blame.

Anonymous wrote:I got one of those for exactly that reason. Saw no way in the picture to prove what happened and just paid it. The picture didn't show the ambulance behind me. Just me blowing a red light. The people who look at these cannot have the mind to connect my picture to the next one of the ambulance.

it’s a video not a picture. There is a link on the ticket itself. If you watched the video maybe it shows you were in the wrong after all….. just sayin

As long as you have come to a complete stop you will not get a ticket. The camera flashes twice. Once when you approach the red light going more than 12mph and again as you cross the line. If you were stopped then turn right for an emergency vehicle it will not register. The tickets are also checked by humans before being sent out for incidents like this.

I will let the emergency vehicle through, regardless. In all my years here, I'm sure that's happened to me at a recorded intersection, and I've never had a ticket, so I assume they throw those out when they see the emergency vehicle on camera. So the lesson is to move your car when you think the camera sees the emergency vehicle.

I got one of those for exactly that reason. Saw no way in the picture to prove what happened and just paid it. The picture didn't show the ambulance behind me. Just me blowing a red light. The people who look at these cannot have the mind to connect my picture to the next one of the ambulance.

Let's say you're stopped at a red light, where there are red light cameras - including not turning right on red. And an emergency vehicle, with lights and sirens on, comes up behind you. If you move ahead through the intersection (if safe, including turning right), you'll get a red light camera ticket. Do you have to pay it? Can those be disputed? Surely the can see emergency vehicle as the next car through the intersection?