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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is just a vent… so apparently the kids who are ‘advanced’ in reading based on the MAP R scores are being enriched. They are pulled out for novel study while the rest of not advanced kids ‘read’ their ‘magazines’ in class. Magazines refers to the benchmark ‘books’. Shouldn’t the non advanced kids also get some novel study or something? How in the world are we going to close the achievement gap by enriching those who are already advanced?? Doesn’t this widen the gap? .. vent over

Why do we need to close any gap? That's a poor goal. Goal should be to lift everyone.

80-40 gap is 40

100-50 gap is 50. A far better situation despite gap being higher.

There will always be a gap. It's not something MCPS should even try to solve. Just meet every kid where they are and try to help them develop their full potential.

+1

This talk of closing the achievement gaps is illogical, but it gets repeated by BOE members. Just work on improving every child's level. I will welcome the wider gaps as long as bottom is lifted as well.

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Anonymous wrote:This is just a vent… so apparently the kids who are ‘advanced’ in reading based on the MAP R scores are being enriched. They are pulled out for novel study while the rest of not advanced kids ‘read’ their ‘magazines’ in class. Magazines refers to the benchmark ‘books’. Shouldn’t the non advanced kids also get some novel study or something? How in the world are we going to close the achievement gap by enriching those who are already advanced?? Doesn’t this widen the gap? .. vent over

Given there will be a distribution of scores and abilities, it’s not clear what would be acceptable to you. Keep the top students in the same group, not do any instruction so they don’t move ahead further?

The gal will widen with time, it is typical that the distribution of scores for MAP for example widens with each passing grade. But this is in small measure because the upper tier students get more opportunities at school, it’s likely because they have higher ability, work ethic, support at home etc.

The pus puse of pulling students is to offer instruction that is in their zone of proximal development (not too hard, not too easy). It is likely better for your child to not be in the advanced group if he can’t keep up. Not sure why this is making you unhappy to warrant a vent.

However, from MCPS point of view, its way to close the achievement gap is to pull down the top so they do not move ahead further. Sad but true!

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Anonymous wrote:This is just a vent… so apparently the kids who are ‘advanced’ in reading based on the MAP R scores are being enriched. They are pulled out for novel study while the rest of not advanced kids ‘read’ their ‘magazines’ in class. Magazines refers to the benchmark ‘books’. Shouldn’t the non advanced kids also get some novel study or something? How in the world are we going to close the achievement gap by enriching those who are already advanced?? Doesn’t this widen the gap? .. vent over

Why do we need to close any gap? That's a poor goal. Goal should be to lift everyone.

80-40 gap is 40

100-50 gap is 50. A far better situation despite gap being higher.

There will always be a gap. It's not something MCPS should even try to solve. Just meet every kid where they are and try to help them develop their full potential.

Anonymous wrote:This is just a vent… so apparently the kids who are ‘advanced’ in reading based on the MAP R scores are being enriched. They are pulled out for novel study while the rest of not advanced kids ‘read’ their ‘magazines’ in class. Magazines refers to the benchmark ‘books’. Shouldn’t the non advanced kids also get some novel study or something? How in the world are we going to close the achievement gap by enriching those who are already advanced?? Doesn’t this widen the gap? .. vent over

Given there will be a distribution of scores and abilities, it’s not clear what would be acceptable to you. Keep the top students in the same group, not do any instruction so they don’t move ahead further?

The gal will widen with time, it is typical that the distribution of scores for MAP for example widens with each passing grade. But this is in small measure because the upper tier students get more opportunities at school, it’s likely because they have higher ability, work ethic, support at home etc.

The pus puse of pulling students is to offer instruction that is in their zone of proximal development (not too hard, not too easy). It is likely better for your child to not be in the advanced group if he can’t keep up. Not sure why this is making you unhappy to warrant a vent.

This “enrichment” is positive, especially for high-performing students at low income schools, these is an opportunity gap. Enrichment is a means of equity to bridge opportunity gaps between low income schools and higher income schools. Too often at low income schools in particular, intervention is prioritized to a fault.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is lazy. They should offer leveled novels for each reading group.

They do at our W feeder elementary school.

The first rule of Ws is: you do not talk about Ws!

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is lazy. They should offer leveled novels for each reading group.

They do at our W feeder elementary school.

MCPS is lazy. They should offer leveled novels for each reading group.

Anonymous wrote:This is just a vent… so apparently the kids who are ‘advanced’ in reading based on the MAP R scores are being enriched. They are pulled out for novel study while the rest of not advanced kids ‘read’ their ‘magazines’ in class. Magazines refers to the benchmark ‘books’. Shouldn’t the non advanced kids also get some novel study or something? How in the world are we going to close the achievement gap by enriching those who are already advanced?? Doesn’t this widen the gap? .. vent over

Why do we need to close any gap? That's a poor goal. Goal should be to lift everyone.

80-40 gap is 40

100-50 gap is 50. A far better situation despite gap being higher.

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Anonymous wrote:Usually the kids who are not pulled out are getting extra teacher time and potentially time with the reading specialist (push in). They get lots of attention on a frequent basis.

The advanced kids who are pulled out mostly read their novels silently and then get pulled out once every week or two. They get far less teacher tkme

at our school those kids do meet with the teacher 2-3 times a week whereas the advanced kids meet maybe 2 times a month (they're mostly ignored)

OP here- glad to hear that.

Anonymous wrote:Usually the kids who are not pulled out are getting extra teacher time and potentially time with the reading specialist (push in). They get lots of attention on a frequent basis.

The advanced kids who are pulled out mostly read their novels silently and then get pulled out once every week or two. They get far less teacher tkme

at our school those kids do meet with the teacher 2-3 times a week whereas the advanced kids meet maybe 2 times a month (they're mostly ignored)

Anonymous wrote:This is just a vent… so apparently the kids who are ‘advanced’ in reading based on the MAP R scores are being enriched. They are pulled out for novel study while the rest of not advanced kids ‘read’ their ‘magazines’ in class. Magazines refers to the benchmark ‘books’. Shouldn’t the non advanced kids also get some novel study or something? How in the world are we going to close the achievement gap by enriching those who are already advanced?? Doesn’t this widen the gap? .. vent over

Because the rest of the class time, the teacher is stucked with non-advanced kids and helping them to read, while the advanced kids are 'self studying' doing nothing.

If it bothers you so much, why don't you tutor your child so they become advanced?

But yes, usually the opposite happens. Children who are behind get far more attention and 1 on 1 tutoring than the children who are advanced. The advanced children are left offend for themselves. The metric is that everybody performs at a level so the lower ones are brought up. If you are advanced already at that level so you are ignored

Usually the kids who are not pulled out are getting extra teacher time and potentially time with the reading specialist (push in). They get lots of attention on a frequent basis.

The advanced kids who are pulled out mostly read their novels silently and then get pulled out once every week or two. They get far less teacher tkme

This is just a vent… so apparently the kids who are ‘advanced’ in reading based on the MAP R scores are being enriched. They are pulled out for novel study while the rest of not advanced kids ‘read’ their ‘magazines’ in class. Magazines refers to the benchmark ‘books’. Shouldn’t the non advanced kids also get some novel study or something? How in the world are we going to close the achievement gap by enriching those who are already advanced?? Doesn’t this widen the gap? .. vent over