Anonymous
11/05/2022 14:37
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My daughter has 1.5x. The teachers enter her due date separately from other students in Canvas. So what she sees is what she gets. It’s nice to not have the guesswork of wondering when her extended time runs out.
That's really wonderful. I argued til I was blue in the face for this, for my son. They refused to give him extra time on assignments, just tests. Flat out refused. He has slow processing speed. They just think he's lazy. I really hate MCPS sometimes.
Extended time on assignments for students with slow processing speed is a disaster. Assignments pile up, and kids get overwhelmed by the end of the quarter. Since test dates aren't moved, and new content isn't delayed, students are working on old stuff when they should be working on the new stuff. It's rarely in a student's best interest. In my experience it's something parents push for when they are in denial about the fact that a slow processing speed kid is going to be able to complete less work than a non-disabled peer with a similar work ethic and IQ, and that what they need is their workload adjusted, maybe by not taking all honors, or by moving a class to the summer, or by taking some electives with no homework, or by dropping down a level in math.
-- parent of a kid with slow processing, and also a high school special educator.
Another mom of a kid with slow processing speed, bf not a teacher. I never found extra time on assignments to be beneficial for the reason PP stated. Extra time on tests was completely necessary. We always worked to modify assignments.
Another parent who does not recommend extended due dates (but extended time on tests is crucial). What my child needs instead is modified assignments and specialized instruction in time management/executive function.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 14:32
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My daughter has 1.5x. The teachers enter her due date separately from other students in Canvas. So what she sees is what she gets. It’s nice to not have the guesswork of wondering when her extended time runs out.
That's really wonderful. I argued til I was blue in the face for this, for my son. They refused to give him extra time on assignments, just tests. Flat out refused. He has slow processing speed. They just think he's lazy. I really hate MCPS sometimes.
Extended time on assignments for students with slow processing speed is a disaster. Assignments pile up, and kids get overwhelmed by the end of the quarter. Since test dates aren't moved, and new content isn't delayed, students are working on old stuff when they should be working on the new stuff. It's rarely in a student's best interest. In my experience it's something parents push for when they are in denial about the fact that a slow processing speed kid is going to be able to complete less work than a non-disabled peer with a similar work ethic and IQ, and that what they need is their workload adjusted, maybe by not taking all honors, or by moving a class to the summer, or by taking some electives with no homework, or by dropping down a level in math.
-- parent of a kid with slow processing, and also a high school special educator.
I don't agree that extra time on assignments for such a kid are a disaster, but I do think it usually needs to be combined with reduction in workload. In my experience, many MCPS teachers did not want to reduce workload for my kids in honors or AP classes because they preferred the kids be bumped down to non-honors, even if the kid isn't learning as much. I made that mistake with my first child (iq 140, slow processing, and MCPS put in non-honors with no accommodations) but didn't make that mistake with my other two. In the end, the difference in education has been huge. My youngest has learned so much more in honors, even if he earns Bs, than the oldest who earned easy As in non-honors.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 13:54
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My daughter has 1.5x. The teachers enter her due date separately from other students in Canvas. So what she sees is what she gets. It’s nice to not have the guesswork of wondering when her extended time runs out.
That's really wonderful. I argued til I was blue in the face for this, for my son. They refused to give him extra time on assignments, just tests. Flat out refused. He has slow processing speed. They just think he's lazy. I really hate MCPS sometimes.
Extended time on assignments for students with slow processing speed is a disaster. Assignments pile up, and kids get overwhelmed by the end of the quarter. Since test dates aren't moved, and new content isn't delayed, students are working on old stuff when they should be working on the new stuff. It's rarely in a student's best interest. In my experience it's something parents push for when they are in denial about the fact that a slow processing speed kid is going to be able to complete less work than a non-disabled peer with a similar work ethic and IQ, and that what they need is their workload adjusted, maybe by not taking all honors, or by moving a class to the summer, or by taking some electives with no homework, or by dropping down a level in math.
-- parent of a kid with slow processing, and also a high school special educator.
Another mom of a kid with slow processing speed, bf not a teacher. I never found extra time on assignments to be beneficial for the reason PP stated. Extra time on tests was completely necessary. We always worked to modify assignments.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 12:35
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My daughter has 1.5x. The teachers enter her due date separately from other students in Canvas. So what she sees is what she gets. It’s nice to not have the guesswork of wondering when her extended time runs out.
That's really wonderful. I argued til I was blue in the face for this, for my son. They refused to give him extra time on assignments, just tests. Flat out refused. He has slow processing speed. They just think he's lazy. I really hate MCPS sometimes.
Extended time on assignments for students with slow processing speed is a disaster. Assignments pile up, and kids get overwhelmed by the end of the quarter. Since test dates aren't moved, and new content isn't delayed, students are working on old stuff when they should be working on the new stuff. It's rarely in a student's best interest. In my experience it's something parents push for when they are in denial about the fact that a slow processing speed kid is going to be able to complete less work than a non-disabled peer with a similar work ethic and IQ, and that what they need is their workload adjusted, maybe by not taking all honors, or by moving a class to the summer, or by taking some electives with no homework, or by dropping down a level in math.
-- parent of a kid with slow processing, and also a high school special educator.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 12:31
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
DD's teachers never change it in Canvas and sometimes they remember not to take off the late points and sometimes they do not. When she asks them to fix it if they marked it wrong they never do it or if they do they are so annoyed by her they mark off extra points on subsequent assignments for no reason just because she dared take up their time to ask them to fix their mistake.
It's a lose lose.
It's a lose lose.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 12:30
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
It's different for every teacher. DD's teachers don't automatically grant extra time. DD has to ask for it and it's really difficult for her to do that because if she remembered in the first place many assignments wouldn't be late.
Many of her teachers do not give the extended time even when she asks in advance. It's a mess.
Many of her teachers do not give the extended time even when she asks in advance. It's a mess.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 10:50
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone please explain how the extended time accommodation is applied with regard to Canvas Due Dates and Deadlines? I think understand the standard MCPS grading policy for Due Dates (full credit if submitted before DD) and Deadlines (at least 50% credit if any attempt is made before DL), but not whether extended time modifies *those* dates specifically.
For example, an in-class assignment that most students finish the same class, but for which the Canvas Due Date is midnight the next day and the Deadline is midnight at the end of the week. When would a student with "1.5x extended time on all assignments" need to have the assignment submitted for full or partial credit? More specifically, is there a way for me as the parent to extrapolate the allowed amount of extended time from what I see in Canvas?
Teacher here. Extended time applies to due dates, not deadlines. The deadline should be set such that extended time students get their extended time before (or by) the deadline. Teachers can't give all kids extended time. They must give students with ET more time than the general population. So if the teacher extends the due date by 2 days for everyone, the ET student gets 3 more days.
The grading policy is
* full credit by due date (for both regular and ET students)
* teachers may give a -10% late penalty after due date but by deadline
* after deadline assignment receives 50%. If teacher has documented multiple attempts to communicate that the assignment is missing, they can assign a 0. Work turned in after deadline might be given 50% instead of 0, but there would have to have been some sort of conversation and agreement about that before the work is turned in.
Extended time applies to the duration of the assignment. You cannot tell by the due date how much additional time a student has, unless the teacher is assigning things with separate due dates for ET students (which can be time consuming if you have a lot of ET students.) Personally, I wouldn't do that generally because ET time students should be working towards finishing on time with everyone else. Providing later dates for everything just sets them up to be constantly behind in class.
Examples of technically correct and actual practice:
* assigned at start of class, due at end of class; 50% ET time students technically get 20 more minutes, but realistically can finish at home and turn in start of class next day.
* assigned in class and due by midnight task is expected to take 1 hr total; ET students technically only get 1.5 hours, but practically a teacher might set due by midnight following night
* assignment due in two days, ET student is due in 3 days.
For myself, if I have a project or something that will take several days and it matters that everyone is done by a certain date (presentations, end of quarter), I will clearly state the assignment start date, the amount of time it should take (# days in class + amount of homework time expected) and the due date for both regular and ET on the paper itself. I might make the assignment available early to everyone so that students can plan around other activities, but that doesn't mean the ET due date gets even later. For smaller classwork tasks, I have been converting worksheets into using Canvas New Quizzes. Students can work on paper and collaborate with peers, as they see fit during class time. At home (or next day start of class) they will put their information into a Canvas quiz that has a timer on it, which automatically gives ET students their correct extended time.
Canvas automatically marks assignments turned in after the due date as late, but it doesn't take off a late penalty unless the teacher sets it up to do so automatically. I don't do this because there are too many legitimate reasons that something could be late, so I don't want it automatically applied. Instead, students know which assignments I will apply the late penalty to ahead of time, and then I manually take off points and comment with -10% late. I do leave the late flag on all assignments that are late - it's important for parents, students, and admin to see the pattern. I remove it for ET students who were within their 50% extra time.
THANK YOU! This is really helpful. I have tried asking the teacher, ccing the counselor, but haven't gotten a direct response like this. This is clear and logical.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 10:41
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
OP, ask the teachers directly. Just email what you wrote here.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 10:40
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My daughter has 1.5x. The teachers enter her due date separately from other students in Canvas. So what she sees is what she gets. It’s nice to not have the guesswork of wondering when her extended time runs out.
That's really wonderful. I argued til I was blue in the face for this, for my son. They refused to give him extra time on assignments, just tests. Flat out refused. He has slow processing speed. They just think he's lazy. I really hate MCPS sometimes.
What does his 504 say?
My daughter only needs the extended time for assignments, but hers says assignments and tests. There was a test only option, but not an assignment only option.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 09:11
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone please explain how the extended time accommodation is applied with regard to Canvas Due Dates and Deadlines? I think understand the standard MCPS grading policy for Due Dates (full credit if submitted before DD) and Deadlines (at least 50% credit if any attempt is made before DL), but not whether extended time modifies *those* dates specifically.
For example, an in-class assignment that most students finish the same class, but for which the Canvas Due Date is midnight the next day and the Deadline is midnight at the end of the week. When would a student with "1.5x extended time on all assignments" need to have the assignment submitted for full or partial credit? More specifically, is there a way for me as the parent to extrapolate the allowed amount of extended time from what I see in Canvas?
Teacher here. Extended time applies to due dates, not deadlines. The deadline should be set such that extended time students get their extended time before (or by) the deadline. Teachers can't give all kids extended time. They must give students with ET more time than the general population. So if the teacher extends the due date by 2 days for everyone, the ET student gets 3 more days.
The grading policy is
* full credit by due date (for both regular and ET students)
* teachers may give a -10% late penalty after due date but by deadline
* after deadline assignment receives 50%. If teacher has documented multiple attempts to communicate that the assignment is missing, they can assign a 0. Work turned in after deadline might be given 50% instead of 0, but there would have to have been some sort of conversation and agreement about that before the work is turned in.
Extended time applies to the duration of the assignment. You cannot tell by the due date how much additional time a student has, unless the teacher is assigning things with separate due dates for ET students (which can be time consuming if you have a lot of ET students.) Personally, I wouldn't do that generally because ET time students should be working towards finishing on time with everyone else. Providing later dates for everything just sets them up to be constantly behind in class.
Examples of technically correct and actual practice:
* assigned at start of class, due at end of class; 50% ET time students technically get 20 more minutes, but realistically can finish at home and turn in start of class next day.
* assigned in class and due by midnight task is expected to take 1 hr total; ET students technically only get 1.5 hours, but practically a teacher might set due by midnight following night
* assignment due in two days, ET student is due in 3 days.
For myself, if I have a project or something that will take several days and it matters that everyone is done by a certain date (presentations, end of quarter), I will clearly state the assignment start date, the amount of time it should take (# days in class + amount of homework time expected) and the due date for both regular and ET on the paper itself. I might make the assignment available early to everyone so that students can plan around other activities, but that doesn't mean the ET due date gets even later. For smaller classwork tasks, I have been converting worksheets into using Canvas New Quizzes. Students can work on paper and collaborate with peers, as they see fit during class time. At home (or next day start of class) they will put their information into a Canvas quiz that has a timer on it, which automatically gives ET students their correct extended time.
Canvas automatically marks assignments turned in after the due date as late, but it doesn't take off a late penalty unless the teacher sets it up to do so automatically. I don't do this because there are too many legitimate reasons that something could be late, so I don't want it automatically applied. Instead, students know which assignments I will apply the late penalty to ahead of time, and then I manually take off points and comment with -10% late. I do leave the late flag on all assignments that are late - it's important for parents, students, and admin to see the pattern. I remove it for ET students who were within their 50% extra time.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 08:16
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
Anonymous wrote:My daughter has 1.5x. The teachers enter her due date separately from other students in Canvas. So what she sees is what she gets. It’s nice to not have the guesswork of wondering when her extended time runs out.
That's really wonderful. I argued til I was blue in the face for this, for my son. They refused to give him extra time on assignments, just tests. Flat out refused. He has slow processing speed. They just think he's lazy. I really hate MCPS sometimes.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 07:51
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone please explain how the extended time accommodation is applied with regard to Canvas Due Dates and Deadlines? I think understand the standard MCPS grading policy for Due Dates (full credit if submitted before DD) and Deadlines (at least 50% credit if any attempt is made before DL), but not whether extended time modifies *those* dates specifically.
For example, an in-class assignment that most students finish the same class, but for which the Canvas Due Date is midnight the next day and the Deadline is midnight at the end of the week. When would a student with "1.5x extended time on all assignments" need to have the assignment submitted for full or partial credit? More specifically, is there a way for me as the parent to extrapolate the allowed amount of extended time from what I see in Canvas?
Hypothetically, most students who finished in class don’t have an extended time accommodation. The due date the next day might be mostly for students with an IEP, 504, or EML accommodation.
Anonymous
11/05/2022 07:41
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
My daughter has 1.5x. The teachers enter her due date separately from other students in Canvas. So what she sees is what she gets. It’s nice to not have the guesswork of wondering when her extended time runs out.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 21:50
Subject: Re:Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
From what I am told, the teachers try to give the kids extra time already in class. So they are essentially giving all kids 1.5x.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 21:46
Subject: Middle school extended time 504 accommodation and Canvas Due Dates/Deadlines
Can anyone please explain how the extended time accommodation is applied with regard to Canvas Due Dates and Deadlines? I think understand the standard MCPS grading policy for Due Dates (full credit if submitted before DD) and Deadlines (at least 50% credit if any attempt is made before DL), but not whether extended time modifies *those* dates specifically.
For example, an in-class assignment that most students finish the same class, but for which the Canvas Due Date is midnight the next day and the Deadline is midnight at the end of the week. When would a student with "1.5x extended time on all assignments" need to have the assignment submitted for full or partial credit? More specifically, is there a way for me as the parent to extrapolate the allowed amount of extended time from what I see in Canvas?
For example, an in-class assignment that most students finish the same class, but for which the Canvas Due Date is midnight the next day and the Deadline is midnight at the end of the week. When would a student with "1.5x extended time on all assignments" need to have the assignment submitted for full or partial credit? More specifically, is there a way for me as the parent to extrapolate the allowed amount of extended time from what I see in Canvas?