Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 11:19     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

Anonymous wrote:I grew up with a yelling dad and sometimes feel myself getting ready to yell when caring for kids. My trick is to sing. A real song or one I make up, like "it's time to put on pants" to the tune of "the farmer in the Dell." This takes my mind off the frustration, keeps me from yelling, and sometimes even gets the kids to listen. Also agree with pep classes..and watch bluey together to see different ways for parents and kids to interact. No you can't always be fun and playful, but if a kid has fun with her dad sometimes it helps balance out the times he really just needs her to do something.

Finally, it's ok for a 3 year old who won't get dressed to go out in pajamas with weather appropriate shoes and outerwear. If the choice is that or yelling, I would go with PJs on most occasions.


Thanks - I will definitely use the Farmer in the Dell tip and share with spouse. Will check out Bluey as well.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 11:17     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you can find gentle language in a time that isn’t stressful- help him understand she is very young and doesn’t always understand how to do things or why it’s important. We forget little kids are still learning how to be here. Also that she’s an entire person with feelings, not just a responsibility. Parenting young children can be frustrating and difficult especially when we’re toggling between what we need to do/accomplish on a schedule and their actual processing speed.

It also might be helpful to leave more time for transitions, let them know in 5 minutes we’re getting dressed, would you like to pick out your clothes or should I, and if your child finds it helpful to narrate what you’re doing and what’s next.


+1. I am a mom and have a temper. I think the "leave him!!! Don't let him alone with your kid!" responses are extreme. He probably just needs to reframe and rethink some of his strategies. The bolded advice is VERY good because the key with kids this age and frustrating behaviors is to set them up for success. If you can *prevent* the tantrum it's much better than addressing it ex-post. I have had great success with iPhone timers for transitions (leaving playground, etc.), giving choices, and giving them a job. It's annoying for kids to "help" with chores, I get it, but it saves us SO many tantrums. Toddlers love to help and keeping them busy and engaged prevents them from being destructive.

If your kid is absolutely melting down and it sets him off I find it helpful to use language that reminds me that I am the adult and I am in control of my reactions: e.g., "I am not going to let you kick me."

And you need a safe word of sorts when he is getting too angry and needs to pause, stop talking and preferably leave the room.


Thanks - these are helpful tips.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 11:14     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

I grew up with a yelling dad and sometimes feel myself getting ready to yell when caring for kids. My trick is to sing. A real song or one I make up, like "it's time to put on pants" to the tune of "the farmer in the Dell." This takes my mind off the frustration, keeps me from yelling, and sometimes even gets the kids to listen. Also agree with pep classes..and watch bluey together to see different ways for parents and kids to interact. No you can't always be fun and playful, but if a kid has fun with her dad sometimes it helps balance out the times he really just needs her to do something.

Finally, it's ok for a 3 year old who won't get dressed to go out in pajamas with weather appropriate shoes and outerwear. If the choice is that or yelling, I would go with PJs on most occasions.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 11:11     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

Anonymous wrote:Two things helped my DH:

1. Reminding him he won’t always be bigger than the kids. So the rule can’t be “bigger human gets his way,” the rule is “Dad gets his way.” Which means he needs better strategies than strength to make a kid listen. It’s true, while appealing to his desire for authority and respect.

2. PEP parenting classes. It only took two, but it gave him strategies without setting me up as the expert and him as the intern. It gave him confidence to come home and tell me about the class (so he got to be the expert parent for a bit), and when the strategies worked without him or kid screaming he could see they were just a better way to live.


It would not have worked if I just sat him down and told him he was an abusive jerk and needed to be better. It could have been headed that direction, but calling names or setting myself up asan expert wouldn’t help any of the dynamics at play.


Thanks for the tip about the PEP classes. I did not call him names. But I say being physically rough and yelling repeatedly is not okay.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 11:08     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

Anonymous wrote:If you can find gentle language in a time that isn’t stressful- help him understand she is very young and doesn’t always understand how to do things or why it’s important. We forget little kids are still learning how to be here. Also that she’s an entire person with feelings, not just a responsibility. Parenting young children can be frustrating and difficult especially when we’re toggling between what we need to do/accomplish on a schedule and their actual processing speed.

It also might be helpful to leave more time for transitions, let them know in 5 minutes we’re getting dressed, would you like to pick out your clothes or should I, and if your child finds it helpful to narrate what you’re doing and what’s next.


+1. I am a mom and have a temper. I think the "leave him!!! Don't let him alone with your kid!" responses are extreme. He probably just needs to reframe and rethink some of his strategies. The bolded advice is VERY good because the key with kids this age and frustrating behaviors is to set them up for success. If you can *prevent* the tantrum it's much better than addressing it ex-post. I have had great success with iPhone timers for transitions (leaving playground, etc.), giving choices, and giving them a job. It's annoying for kids to "help" with chores, I get it, but it saves us SO many tantrums. Toddlers love to help and keeping them busy and engaged prevents them from being destructive.

If your kid is absolutely melting down and it sets him off I find it helpful to use language that reminds me that I am the adult and I am in control of my reactions: e.g., "I am not going to let you kick me."

And you need a safe word of sorts when he is getting too angry and needs to pause, stop talking and preferably leave the room.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 11:08     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you can find gentle language in a time that isn’t stressful- help him understand she is very young and doesn’t always understand how to do things or why it’s important. We forget little kids are still learning how to be here. Also that she’s an entire person with feelings, not just a responsibility. Parenting young children can be frustrating and difficult especially when we’re toggling between what we need to do/accomplish on a schedule and their actual processing speed.

It also might be helpful to leave more time for transitions, let them know in 5 minutes we’re getting dressed, would you like to pick out your clothes or should I, and if your child finds it helpful to narrate what you’re doing and what’s next.


Adding

My husband has a tough time and gets overwhelmed. Adhd and anxiety. It translates to choppiness with kid. I agree physicality is not ok and to get parenting help. But it might be a learning curve thing too.


Thanks for this - yes he definitely would describe himself as struggling with anxiety and possibly undiagnosed ADHD. And came from a home where he was yelled at frequently.

The physicality definitely scares me and I think he is scared too.

Since our last convo that was about the yelling specifically he has been reading about the impact of yelling on children and agrees he needs to stop. This was just a couple of days ago and I do see him being much more gentle, but it has only been a couple of days. I've talked with him about planning extra time to leave the house especially if it is a different than usual routine, and trying to get to her level, using little games to get her to do what we need.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 11:04     Subject: Re:Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

Handling a child roughly a few times is not considered abuse. People need to get a grip. I was abused as a child.

Having stated that, your DH is having a hard time with a toddler. This normally happens when parents are tired and stressed, and just can't deal with a young child who doesn't listen, which is normal behavior for a child obviously.

Your DH needs to take a step back and learn more patience with children.

Children don't come with a manual. So, we as parents need to adapt and learn to be better parents, but that doesn't mean your DH is abusive.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 11:01     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

Two things helped my DH:

1. Reminding him he won’t always be bigger than the kids. So the rule can’t be “bigger human gets his way,” the rule is “Dad gets his way.” Which means he needs better strategies than strength to make a kid listen. It’s true, while appealing to his desire for authority and respect.

2. PEP parenting classes. It only took two, but it gave him strategies without setting me up as the expert and him as the intern. It gave him confidence to come home and tell me about the class (so he got to be the expert parent for a bit), and when the strategies worked without him or kid screaming he could see they were just a better way to live.


It would not have worked if I just sat him down and told him he was an abusive jerk and needed to be better. It could have been headed that direction, but calling names or setting myself up asan expert wouldn’t help any of the dynamics at play.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 10:53     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

No this is not normal. I don't know what needs to happen but perhaps some anger management or parenting classes?
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 10:52     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

Anonymous wrote:If you can find gentle language in a time that isn’t stressful- help him understand she is very young and doesn’t always understand how to do things or why it’s important. We forget little kids are still learning how to be here. Also that she’s an entire person with feelings, not just a responsibility. Parenting young children can be frustrating and difficult especially when we’re toggling between what we need to do/accomplish on a schedule and their actual processing speed.

It also might be helpful to leave more time for transitions, let them know in 5 minutes we’re getting dressed, would you like to pick out your clothes or should I, and if your child finds it helpful to narrate what you’re doing and what’s next.


Adding

My husband has a tough time and gets overwhelmed. Adhd and anxiety. It translates to choppiness with kid. I agree physicality is not ok and to get parenting help. But it might be a learning curve thing too.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 10:51     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

He needs help dealing with anger management, and some parenting classes.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 10:50     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

If you can find gentle language in a time that isn’t stressful- help him understand she is very young and doesn’t always understand how to do things or why it’s important. We forget little kids are still learning how to be here. Also that she’s an entire person with feelings, not just a responsibility. Parenting young children can be frustrating and difficult especially when we’re toggling between what we need to do/accomplish on a schedule and their actual processing speed.

It also might be helpful to leave more time for transitions, let them know in 5 minutes we’re getting dressed, would you like to pick out your clothes or should I, and if your child finds it helpful to narrate what you’re doing and what’s next.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 10:49     Subject: Re:Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

Your spouse needs counseling.

This is very dangerous for the child physically & emotionally.

Don't be an enabler of child abuse. Do something !
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 10:47     Subject: Re:Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

This is very serious. Keep that man away from your child. He is an abusive parent who will cause your daughter to suffer from life-long emotional scars which are likely to affect her relationships with others.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2022 10:44     Subject: Spouse yells and loses his temper with 3 yo

He has never yelled at me. But with our 3 yo if she is not doing what he says or making a mess he will start yelling at her repeatedly. It obviously doesn't help. On two occasions I have seen her handling her in a rough way because he was angry (e.g. while forcing her to put on her clothes).

The most recent time he was physically rough with her I pushed him away from her and told her not to touch her like that again, and later made it clear that his yelling (which happens frequently) is not acceptable. He does seem to have taken it to heart and understands this time (I brought it up when she was younger but he wasn't receptive), but I worry that these habits are hard to break. Are these just normal parenting struggles? Or would you consider this something more serious?