Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 14:41     Subject: Math and LL IV
Zero issue with level III kids being pulled in for advanced math with level iv kids, but if the teacher is being asked to instruct both groups in the same room at the same time, each of these groups of kids are only getting half the teachers' time, no?
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 14:12     Subject: Math and LL IV
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In local level IV, is the classroom teacher usually expected to teach level III in the same classroom, at same time?

Seems like a disservice to both groups of kids to only get 50% of teacher's time


Level iii kid in the math class w level iv kid is at least as good as the level iv, and could be better.

Level iii means you get the service for a specific subject. Level iv you get it for all.


Level III is a once a week pull out for kids who are seen to be advanced and could use some additional challenge but are not ready for LIV. DS gets LIII services because we deferred LIV for him. They do Socratic Method, word puzzles, write some stories, and dive deeper into some history topics. The material changes every few weeks to a month.

Advanced Math is the class for kids who are advanced in Math.

Most kids who are borderline for LIV will end up in either Advanced Math or LIII services but both are determined by the local school and not the Central Committee.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 13:43     Subject: Math and LL IV
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In local level IV, is the classroom teacher usually expected to teach level III in the same classroom, at same time?

Seems like a disservice to both groups of kids to only get 50% of teacher's time


Level iii kid in the math class w level iv kid is at least as good as the level iv, and could be better.

Level iii means you get the service for a specific subject. Level iv you get it for all.


That's school dependent. Level II can mean literally nothing and level III can be satisfied with half hour weekly pullouts. On the other hand, kids who are neither can be in advanced math and thrive there.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 13:36     Subject: Math and LL IV
Level iii and Advanced Math are different things. Talk to your schools AART.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 11:44     Subject: Math and LL IV
Anonymous wrote:In local level IV, is the classroom teacher usually expected to teach level III in the same classroom, at same time?

Seems like a disservice to both groups of kids to only get 50% of teacher's time


Level iii kid in the math class w level iv kid is at least as good as the level iv, and could be better.

Level iii means you get the service for a specific subject. Level iv you get it for all.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 09:57     Subject: Math and LL IV
Our school has had advanced math since third grade. The lack of LLIV kids hasn't seemed to matter because the kids in there can easily be moved out and other kids moved in based on test scores at the end and beginning of the year
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 09:32     Subject: Math and LL IV
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In local level IV, is the classroom teacher usually expected to teach level III in the same classroom, at same time?

Seems like a disservice to both groups of kids to only get 50% of teacher's time

At our school, Level IV and Level III are based on the number of AAP subjects the student takes. If the student in in all four, they are LIV, if they are in 1-3, they are III. So, the level of instruction for each subject is the same regardless of whether the student is liable IV or III. Students are mixed with all students in their home rooms and specials and change classes for the four core subjects.

Not all schools do it this way, but I think it works well and allows each student to be in classes that work for them. For example, we can have a student who is really good in math and science take AAP math and science, but be in GenEd for social studies and language arts. Or the other way round. We can have a student be pulled out for Specia Ed language arts but be in AAP in the other three subjects.


Are you at a Center?

There are only two AAP programs that are distinctive at our non-Center school, Level III pullouts and Advanced Math. There is nothing for Social Studies or Science or even LA because Level III pull outs touches on all 3.

At our base school, LIV qualified kids will all be in the Advanced Math group in grades 3 and 4 and then the Advanced Math class in grades 5 and 6. The class in 5 and 6 includes kids who the Teachers feel should be in Advanced Math and the entire class is learning the same material. I have no clue how much differentiation there is in the class.

Advanced Math exists precisely to give the kids who are strong in math a place to go when they are not qualified for LIV but need more in math. Those kids should be strong in math. The general report that I have heard is that the LIV qualified kids who are strong in LA but not math hold the class back but that their parents push to LIV because there is no Advanced LA type class.
no not at a Center. It is LLIV.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 07:01     Subject: Math and LL IV
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In local level IV, is the classroom teacher usually expected to teach level III in the same classroom, at same time?

Seems like a disservice to both groups of kids to only get 50% of teacher's time

At our school, Level IV and Level III are based on the number of AAP subjects the student takes. If the student in in all four, they are LIV, if they are in 1-3, they are III. So, the level of instruction for each subject is the same regardless of whether the student is liable IV or III. Students are mixed with all students in their home rooms and specials and change classes for the four core subjects.

Not all schools do it this way, but I think it works well and allows each student to be in classes that work for them. For example, we can have a student who is really good in math and science take AAP math and science, but be in GenEd for social studies and language arts. Or the other way round. We can have a student be pulled out for Specia Ed language arts but be in AAP in the other three subjects.


Are you at a Center?

There are only two AAP programs that are distinctive at our non-Center school, Level III pullouts and Advanced Math. There is nothing for Social Studies or Science or even LA because Level III pull outs touches on all 3.

At our base school, LIV qualified kids will all be in the Advanced Math group in grades 3 and 4 and then the Advanced Math class in grades 5 and 6. The class in 5 and 6 includes kids who the Teachers feel should be in Advanced Math and the entire class is learning the same material. I have no clue how much differentiation there is in the class.

Advanced Math exists precisely to give the kids who are strong in math a place to go when they are not qualified for LIV but need more in math. Those kids should be strong in math. The general report that I have heard is that the LIV qualified kids who are strong in LA but not math hold the class back but that their parents push to LIV because there is no Advanced LA type class.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 06:39     Subject: Math and LL IV
My DC is at a LLIV AAP Center. Some students in Level III determined by the AART to be prepared for Level IV math join her class for math. It works. No one has complained. Both the Level III and IV students benefit.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 06:28     Subject: Math and LL IV
Anonymous wrote:In local level IV, is the classroom teacher usually expected to teach level III in the same classroom, at same time?

Seems like a disservice to both groups of kids to only get 50% of teacher's time

At our school, Level IV and Level III are based on the number of AAP subjects the student takes. If the student in in all four, they are LIV, if they are in 1-3, they are III. So, the level of instruction for each subject is the same regardless of whether the student is liable IV or III. Students are mixed with all students in their home rooms and specials and change classes for the four core subjects.

Not all schools do it this way, but I think it works well and allows each student to be in classes that work for them. For example, we can have a student who is really good in math and science take AAP math and science, but be in GenEd for social studies and language arts. Or the other way round. We can have a student be pulled out for Specia Ed language arts but be in AAP in the other three subjects.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 06:21     Subject: Math and LL IV
Anonymous wrote:A proper version of LLIV has whole class instruction at level 4 math. Yes you will have AAP III kids joining too but they should be learning at the level 4 pace.

Apparently not all schools do it that way. If mine did not though then I would plan to switch to the center.


+1. Our school has a weak Level III program and didn’t start Advanced Math until 5th grade but at least they taught the Level IV math curriculum to the students who took Advanced Math.
Anonymous
Post 10/11/2022 22:18     Subject: Math and LL IV
A proper version of LLIV has whole class instruction at level 4 math. Yes you will have AAP III kids joining too but they should be learning at the level 4 pace.

Apparently not all schools do it that way. If mine did not though then I would plan to switch to the center.
Anonymous
Post 10/11/2022 21:58     Subject: Math and LL IV
Depends on the school. Some schools use the math resource teacher or the AART to teach advanced math to level III. Some schools have level III kids come into the level IV classroom for math. It depends on the number of students in advanced math. The whole grade has math at the same time, so no one is getting 50% of the teacher’s time. Some kids may switch teachers for math. Some may not. Some FCPS schools start switching classes/teachers for some subjects as early as grade 4. This can be other subjects besides math.
Anonymous
Post 10/11/2022 21:54     Subject: Math and LL IV
The math curriculum spirals. That means that it's all the same thing, just with more digits.
Anonymous
Post 10/11/2022 21:44     Subject: Math and LL IV
In local level IV, is the classroom teacher usually expected to teach level III in the same classroom, at same time?

Seems like a disservice to both groups of kids to only get 50% of teacher's time