Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 17:15     Subject: Re:WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
I just did a quick Google search and people are shot in WMATA station, train or buses with alarming frequency. In fact, the bus shootings seem to be the most common and the most scary (where do you hide?). Just thinking about more guns on WMATA makes me want to deal with it even less.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:56     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


How many of them are meat-head vigilante-wannabes who will start shooting in a crowded train "to protect people"?

The amount of training is nowhere near enough to prepare someone for an active shooting.

I'm not going to stop taking metro because of them, but they sure aren't making me feel safer.


And your credentials to make this judgement are what?

Countless federal agents, military personnel and on and off duty members of the plethora of police agencies in and around DC already travel armed on Metro in DC. People in MD and VA already travel armed on Metro there. Some of them are better trained (even significantly better trained) than the aforementioned law enforcement personnel. As PP pointed out, there is no shortage of armed, violent criminals on the Metro in DC.



You question my credentials but then can't count how many (legally?) armed people are already riding metro.

If there actually we're that many armed superheroes riding metro then why the concern about criminals?

You just have vigilante fantasy. Keep it in your bedroom.


DP, and I question your creds.

I’ve only met a single (one!) LEO who could shoot better than me. A Federal Air Marshall. I’ve placed higher than every LEO I ever shot a IDPA match against except one.





Oh yeah, well I have bow staff skills and nunchuck skills.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:45     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


How many of them are meat-head vigilante-wannabes who will start shooting in a crowded train "to protect people"?

The amount of training is nowhere near enough to prepare someone for an active shooting.

I'm not going to stop taking metro because of them, but they sure aren't making me feel safer.


And your credentials to make this judgement are what?

Countless federal agents, military personnel and on and off duty members of the plethora of police agencies in and around DC already travel armed on Metro in DC. People in MD and VA already travel armed on Metro there. Some of them are better trained (even significantly better trained) than the aforementioned law enforcement personnel. As PP pointed out, there is no shortage of armed, violent criminals on the Metro in DC.



You question my credentials but then can't count how many (legally?) armed people are already riding metro.

If there actually we're that many armed superheroes riding metro then why the concern about criminals?

You just have vigilante fantasy. Keep it in your bedroom.


DP, and I question your creds.

I’ve only met a single (one!) LEO who could shoot better than me. A Federal Air Marshall. I’ve placed higher than every LEO I ever shot a IDPA match against except one.



Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:41     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


How many of them are meat-head vigilante-wannabes who will start shooting in a crowded train "to protect people"?

The amount of training is nowhere near enough to prepare someone for an active shooting.

I'm not going to stop taking metro because of them, but they sure aren't making me feel safer.


Ok, find and cite some examples of what you just described - a meatheaded vigilante wanna-be who shot up a bunch of innocent by-standers someplace while trying to “protect people”


If this ever happens, it shouldn’t be too hard for you to provide some examples to support your claim.

So get busy.


Have you ever been to Florida?


I’m from Florida. And?

I noticed you didn’t cite any examples.

Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:40     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


How many of them are meat-head vigilante-wannabes who will start shooting in a crowded train "to protect people"?

The amount of training is nowhere near enough to prepare someone for an active shooting.

I'm not going to stop taking metro because of them, but they sure aren't making me feel safer.


Ok, find and cite some examples of what you just described - a meatheaded vigilante wanna-be who shot up a bunch of innocent by-standers someplace while trying to “protect people”


If this ever happens, it shouldn’t be too hard for you to provide some examples to support your claim.

So get busy.


Have you ever been to Florida?


Also, how about PP show us with stats that gun violence and crime is lower than in CC states OR how many times a "good guy with a gun" has actually been helpful>
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:40     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


This argument assumes that gun violence is caused only or mostly by criminals (false) and that in the very rare case of a hotting on the metro, passengers want to be subjected to a fire fight like it's the old west.

Guns are not the solution. They are the problem.


So you think that gun violence (which I and most rational people would define as “injury or death of an innocent person/victim caused by someone else using a gun) is NOT mostly caused by criminals? That’s what you’re asserting here, yes? You say that’s false?

I’m really not sure what to say to that, because I think you’re living in some kind of constructed alternate reality.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:34     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


How many of them are meat-head vigilante-wannabes who will start shooting in a crowded train "to protect people"?

The amount of training is nowhere near enough to prepare someone for an active shooting.

I'm not going to stop taking metro because of them, but they sure aren't making me feel safer.


Ok, find and cite some examples of what you just described - a meatheaded vigilante wanna-be who shot up a bunch of innocent by-standers someplace while trying to “protect people”


If this ever happens, it shouldn’t be too hard for you to provide some examples to support your claim.

So get busy.


Have you ever been to Florida?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:34     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


How many of them are meat-head vigilante-wannabes who will start shooting in a crowded train "to protect people"?

The amount of training is nowhere near enough to prepare someone for an active shooting.

I'm not going to stop taking metro because of them, but they sure aren't making me feel safer.


And your credentials to make this judgement are what?

Countless federal agents, military personnel and on and off duty members of the plethora of police agencies in and around DC already travel armed on Metro in DC. People in MD and VA already travel armed on Metro there. Some of them are better trained (even significantly better trained) than the aforementioned law enforcement personnel. As PP pointed out, there is no shortage of armed, violent criminals on the Metro in DC.



You question my credentials but then can't count how many (legally?) armed people are already riding metro.

If there actually we're that many armed superheroes riding metro then why the concern about criminals?

You just have vigilante fantasy. Keep it in your bedroom.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:32     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


How many of them are meat-head vigilante-wannabes who will start shooting in a crowded train "to protect people"?

The amount of training is nowhere near enough to prepare someone for an active shooting.

I'm not going to stop taking metro because of them, but they sure aren't making me feel safer.


Ok, find and cite some examples of what you just described - a meatheaded vigilante wanna-be who shot up a bunch of innocent by-standers someplace while trying to “protect people”


If this ever happens, it shouldn’t be too hard for you to provide some examples to support your claim.

So get busy.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:24     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


How many of them are meat-head vigilante-wannabes who will start shooting in a crowded train "to protect people"?

The amount of training is nowhere near enough to prepare someone for an active shooting.

I'm not going to stop taking metro because of them, but they sure aren't making me feel safer.


And your credentials to make this judgement are what?

Countless federal agents, military personnel and on and off duty members of the plethora of police agencies in and around DC already travel armed on Metro in DC. People in MD and VA already travel armed on Metro there. Some of them are better trained (even significantly better trained) than the aforementioned law enforcement personnel. As PP pointed out, there is no shortage of armed, violent criminals on the Metro in DC.

Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:20     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


This argument assumes that gun violence is caused only or mostly by criminals (false) and that in the very rare case of a hotting on the metro, passengers want to be subjected to a fire fight like it's the old west.

Guns are not the solution. They are the problem.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:15     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


How many of them are meat-head vigilante-wannabes who will start shooting in a crowded train "to protect people"?

The amount of training is nowhere near enough to prepare someone for an active shooting.

I'm not going to stop taking metro because of them, but they sure aren't making me feel safer.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 15:04     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.


+1 I currently don’t use metro due to safety concerns.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 14:56     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
There are plenty of guns being carried on Metro already. By criminals.

I’m confused as to why allowing people who are known non-criminals who have gone to the considerable trouble/training of acquiring a permit to legally carry a gun makes you frightened. Because frankly, it doesn’t make any sense. The people most likely to rob/assault/shoot you are already carrying their guns on the train/bus with you right now. Like RIGHT NOW.

The people LEAST likely to rob/assault/shoot you are the ones you feel you should fear the most?


Apply some critical thinking here.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2022 13:45     Subject: WMATA Gun Ban Lawsuit
I have just learned that people are suing to overturn the gun ban on WMATA and the legal arguments are very strong, based on recent precedent. Is there anyone who will continue to use WMATA is guns are allowed? I certainly wouldn’t feel safe.