Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 18:32     Subject: What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize the supreme court had a band.


I was thinking the OP meant there was a ring around something to mark it.

I think this explains why my DC's English 101 prof is teaching grammar one day a week.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 18:18     Subject: Re:What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have spent a lot of time thinking about this. I have really bright students who score very high on standardized tests. They are smart and work very hard. I am sure in the future, they will have high SAT scores. However, I don't know if they will be as high as children from college educated parents due to life factors.

I am ok with admitting some students with slightly lower scores when considering these factors. That would include students of all races. I do not think tests should be eliminated. My experience is that 95% of students score within the range of their abilities.


Abilities is one thing, but these tests measure the willingness to prep as much as they do abilities. Some kids can hack it on their own (yours truly, way back when), but others do get a leg up via paid help. I would love for colleges to start require to disclose any prep, paid and unpaid, received, with severe punishments for not being truthful. And putting a firewall between them and college consultants - no private convos, public information only. But they'll never do that because that's how those underpaid junior admission officers hope to make money in a few years.


PP. also, one can very easily design a multiple choice test for math that eliminates most educated guesses, rendering the strategies taught at prep classes useless. I've taken these types of tests, it's much harder when you can't really guess. I wish the SAT math would go that way.


Then get rid of extra credit for first gen, low income, etc.
Those are there to account for it.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 18:12     Subject: Re:What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have spent a lot of time thinking about this. I have really bright students who score very high on standardized tests. They are smart and work very hard. I am sure in the future, they will have high SAT scores. However, I don't know if they will be as high as children from college educated parents due to life factors.

I am ok with admitting some students with slightly lower scores when considering these factors. That would include students of all races. I do not think tests should be eliminated. My experience is that 95% of students score within the range of their abilities.


Abilities is one thing, but these tests measure the willingness to prep as much as they do abilities. Some kids can hack it on their own (yours truly, way back when), but others do get a leg up via paid help. I would love for colleges to start require to disclose any prep, paid and unpaid, received, with severe punishments for not being truthful. And putting a firewall between them and college consultants - no private convos, public information only. But they'll never do that because that's how those underpaid junior admission officers hope to make money in a few years.


What about tutoring for regular subjects to boost GPA??


I am not averse to disclosing it either, but those may be 1. completely unrelated to college admissions and 2. reveal some health conditions in which case it probably gets very hairy re: privacy. Let fix the stuff that's not directly related to learning - standardized testing and apps help.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 18:10     Subject: What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
It’s time for a change. It was meant to help some students but it grew into a monster of trying to represent every splinter group—- so there just became more and more and more ways to be “diverse”
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 18:04     Subject: Re:What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
Anonymous wrote:No individual should be discriminated and stereotyped in the name of diversisty. This will be another lesson for the future.


We already had that lesson taught in far more egregious instances, even more recently with redlining, loan denial, etc. This should hardly be a major concern for most.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 18:04     Subject: Re:What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have spent a lot of time thinking about this. I have really bright students who score very high on standardized tests. They are smart and work very hard. I am sure in the future, they will have high SAT scores. However, I don't know if they will be as high as children from college educated parents due to life factors.

I am ok with admitting some students with slightly lower scores when considering these factors. That would include students of all races. I do not think tests should be eliminated. My experience is that 95% of students score within the range of their abilities.


Abilities is one thing, but these tests measure the willingness to prep as much as they do abilities. Some kids can hack it on their own (yours truly, way back when), but others do get a leg up via paid help. I would love for colleges to start require to disclose any prep, paid and unpaid, received, with severe punishments for not being truthful. And putting a firewall between them and college consultants - no private convos, public information only. But they'll never do that because that's how those underpaid junior admission officers hope to make money in a few years.


What about tutoring for regular subjects to boost GPA??
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 17:59     Subject: Re:What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have spent a lot of time thinking about this. I have really bright students who score very high on standardized tests. They are smart and work very hard. I am sure in the future, they will have high SAT scores. However, I don't know if they will be as high as children from college educated parents due to life factors.

I am ok with admitting some students with slightly lower scores when considering these factors. That would include students of all races. I do not think tests should be eliminated. My experience is that 95% of students score within the range of their abilities.


Abilities is one thing, but these tests measure the willingness to prep as much as they do abilities. Some kids can hack it on their own (yours truly, way back when), but others do get a leg up via paid help. I would love for colleges to start require to disclose any prep, paid and unpaid, received, with severe punishments for not being truthful. And putting a firewall between them and college consultants - no private convos, public information only. But they'll never do that because that's how those underpaid junior admission officers hope to make money in a few years.


PP. also, one can very easily design a multiple choice test for math that eliminates most educated guesses, rendering the strategies taught at prep classes useless. I've taken these types of tests, it's much harder when you can't really guess. I wish the SAT math would go that way.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 17:56     Subject: Re:What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
Anonymous wrote:I have spent a lot of time thinking about this. I have really bright students who score very high on standardized tests. They are smart and work very hard. I am sure in the future, they will have high SAT scores. However, I don't know if they will be as high as children from college educated parents due to life factors.

I am ok with admitting some students with slightly lower scores when considering these factors. That would include students of all races. I do not think tests should be eliminated. My experience is that 95% of students score within the range of their abilities.


Abilities is one thing, but these tests measure the willingness to prep as much as they do abilities. Some kids can hack it on their own (yours truly, way back when), but others do get a leg up via paid help. I would love for colleges to start require to disclose any prep, paid and unpaid, received, with severe punishments for not being truthful. And putting a firewall between them and college consultants - no private convos, public information only. But they'll never do that because that's how those underpaid junior admission officers hope to make money in a few years.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 17:51     Subject: What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
I work at a R1 public university and good friends with two AOs at an ivy and one T25. The shared outlook for this small sample is a continuation of test optional and increased emphasis on first gen students to meet institutional goals. I don’t think our institutions our outliers.

Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 17:48     Subject: Re:What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
I have spent a lot of time thinking about this. I have really bright students who score very high on standardized tests. They are smart and work very hard. I am sure in the future, they will have high SAT scores. However, I don't know if they will be as high as children from college educated parents due to life factors.

I am ok with admitting some students with slightly lower scores when considering these factors. That would include students of all races. I do not think tests should be eliminated. My experience is that 95% of students score within the range of their abilities.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 17:41     Subject: What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
They will just change the admittance criteria to ensure that they can select a diverse community before each incoming class. This is the mission they want to accomplish.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 17:38     Subject: Re:What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
No individual should be discriminated and stereotyped in the name of diversisty. This will be another lesson for the future.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 17:37     Subject: What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
I didn't realize the supreme court had a band.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 17:35     Subject: Re:What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
I didn't know about the Texas model. I think that is a great idea for all state schools.

As for AA, it is hard. I do see the value in having diversity in a classroom. I would like to see it more focused on a family's tax records and zip code.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2022 17:31     Subject: What the admissions looks like after Supreme Court band affirmative action?
It's very likely SCOTUS will ban affirmative action in late June 2023 decision.

Once that happens -affirmative action will immediately be banned as a factor.

So what happens then for HS classes of 2024 onward? Will private colleges voluntarily ban legacy preference? I have heard a number of Ivies are discussing this to have ready to announce.

Will more public schools offer the Texas model of guaranteed admit for top 10% of each high school in the state?

Would love a sober discussion of this here....