Anonymous wrote:Pork chops mmmmmmm……..

bacon all the way.... smoked pulled pork,

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is the type of situation where the market should dictate. Consumers who are willing to pay for "ethical" meat should purchase that. If there is enough demand, farmers will make the switch. But don't dictate your elite views on people who need to feed their family.

I feel that way about things like grass fed beef vs feed lot beef - yeah, feed lots are pretty bad, but a cow spends only a part of their life on a feed lot, not the entirety. I can (barely) stomach that feed lots exist, and maybe people are okay with the bad treatment. I think most people just decide not to know, but that's another story.

But sow gestation crates are a whole other level of torture. An animal kept for practically its entire life pregnant and unable to turn around or walk? Can you imagine if people did that to their pet dogs? They'd be shunned, and have their dogs taken away from them, and be charged with animal cruelty. If animal cruelty is against the law, it's against the law. Let's enforce the law for dogs and pigs.

It's called puppy mills. Yes, I can imagine it, it's not enforced for dogs either. And yes, tons of people do this to their dogs and they're not shunned. Animalty cruelty charges are extremely rare. With all due respect, I don't disagree with you and have been a vegetarian for 20 years of my life but you sound like...a sweet, sweet summer naive child.

Pork chops mmmmmmm……..

I agree. And I also think the antbiotics in meat should be banned as a public health hazard (which we all pay for—I’d rather give people subsidies to buy better meat). I’m an omnivore but modern Americans eat a disgusting amount of meat because we’ve made it so cheap. The national average is something like 275 pounds per year. Figure there’s at least some vegetarians bringing down the average, a lot of people are eating a pound a day. That’s probably about 3-4x as much as they really should.

Anonymous wrote:I think this is the type of situation where the market should dictate. Consumers who are willing to pay for "ethical" meat should purchase that. If there is enough demand, farmers will make the switch. But don't dictate your elite views on people who need to feed their family.

Nobody needs to eat pork.

Anonymous wrote:I think this is the type of situation where the market should dictate. Consumers who are willing to pay for "ethical" meat should purchase that. If there is enough demand, farmers will make the switch. But don't dictate your elite views on people who need to feed their family.

I feel that way about things like grass fed beef vs feed lot beef - yeah, feed lots are pretty bad, but a cow spends only a part of their life on a feed lot, not the entirety. I can (barely) stomach that feed lots exist, and maybe people are okay with the bad treatment. I think most people just decide not to know, but that's another story.

But sow gestation crates are a whole other level of torture. An animal kept for practically its entire life pregnant and unable to turn around or walk? Can you imagine if people did that to their pet dogs? They'd be shunned, and have their dogs taken away from them, and be charged with animal cruelty. If animal cruelty is against the law, it's against the law. Let's enforce the law for dogs and pigs.

I think this is the type of situation where the market should dictate. Consumers who are willing to pay for "ethical" meat should purchase that. If there is enough demand, farmers will make the switch. But don't dictate your elite views on people who need to feed their family.

comes down to time and cost..... it cost more to raise an animal humanely, takes more time. to get said animal to harvest weight. and so on.

which means that price will get passed down to the consumer.

so that pork chop will likely cost upwards of 15 bucks per pound rathe than 4 bucks.....

those that want meat, will have ot pay a higher a price...

I'm Ok with that...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/04/supreme-court-california-pork-law/

"Let me explain what the rest of the pork industry is trying to protect: Five-hundred-pound pregnant sows are confined in a metal crate sized to fit their bodies. For 16 weeks of gestation, the sows can’t turn around or stretch their legs. When they’re ready to give birth, the pigs are taken to the “Farrowing Barn” for a week to 10 days where they deliver their tiny progeny. The piglets scramble through another confined space to suckle their mothers, who are soon returned to the Gestation Barn for another round of 16-week torture.

And so it goes for about eight litters, if the sow makes it that long, after which her miserable life on Earth is put to an end.

Is a pork chop worth all that?"

The answer is no. And it's vile that anyone would want to challenge that. Esp. when companies have said they could meet demand w/o some of these practices.

And before all of the "i could never live without meeeeeeat" crowd chimes it, no one is asking you to. You can eat meat and do so in a humane/ethical manner. The fact this is not demanded is a moral stain on this country.