Anonymous
09/27/2022 10:49
Subject: Re:DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is my favorite line from the article, "Jacquelyn Davis, Kim’s colleague of more than 20 years, decried the allegations against Kim as ridiculous and untruthful." (my emphasis added).
Who ever the heck Ms. Davis is has disqualified herself from ever holding a position of leadership anywhere, ever. She didn't say "I have never seen such behavior." She didn't say, "That is completely out of character for what I know of Ms. Kim." She straight up called people who said they felt intimidated and mistreated liars and ridiculous.
That's how a toxic leader is allowed to remain at an organization. People from on high protect her and diminish those who would dare question her.
Please, if you have factual knowledge about Kim, let’s hear it. It makes no sense that you’d pick out one comment in the article (by a person who is non-anonymous) to claim is incorrect, meanwhile apparently giving all credence to those who remain unnamed but claim Kim was bad.
Sounds like Kim got railroaded by people who are dead set on keeping DCPS a failure.
You seem not so bright. Guessing you are in DCPS leadership?
You lead with some weirdness about "factual knowledge about Kim". Setting aside that "factual knowledge" isn't a thing, you fundamentally misunderstand how workplace misconduct investigations work. On rare occasion there's an email or smoking gun recording, but usually it is testimony from others who witnessed or experienced the behaviors. The issue I took with Ms. Davis is that she didn't say anything about her own experience, she instead called others liars and demonized them. She cannot know what they experienced. That kind of response is unacceptable. That she is the kind of "leader" who supports Ms. Kim does not speak well for Ms. Kim.
Ms. Kim may have gotten railroaded. She may be a victim of DCPS dead weight not wanting to be held to account. Personally, I think DCPS Central is the biggest waste of money in all of DC. But when people like you and Ms. Davis respond this way you undermine your own argument and make people like me who are otherwise inclined to consider whether she's a victim of an entrenched lazy DCPS culture instead think, "Well, the people who support Ms. Kim are abusive a-holes so maybe that's indicative of the kind of leader she was."
TL; DR Stop trying to help - you are making it worse.
You think it’s weird that her ally gave a full-throated defense in an article full of otherwise totally anonymous accusations? And you draw all these inferences from that? OK.
Now I KNOW you must work in DCPS Central.
Setting aside that you don't seem to know what an inference is, the issue is not "a defense". As defense would have taken the form of "I have never known her to behave this way" or, with respect to allegations made regarding a specific meeting or moment in time, "I was present and that is not what I observed." That's not what her defender did. Her defender called the accusers liars (something that she cannot know since she wasn't present and since she is not a subordinate of Ms. Kim so she is not similarly situated).
It is also amusing that you seem to take issue with the anonymous nature of the allegations when what is alleged is systemic and longstanding behaviors of bullying and retaliation of anyone who dares question her.
You obviously support Ms. Kim. You seem emotionally invested in her. That is blinding you.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 09:14
Subject: Re:DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is my favorite line from the article, "Jacquelyn Davis, Kim’s colleague of more than 20 years, decried the allegations against Kim as ridiculous and untruthful." (my emphasis added).
Who ever the heck Ms. Davis is has disqualified herself from ever holding a position of leadership anywhere, ever. She didn't say "I have never seen such behavior." She didn't say, "That is completely out of character for what I know of Ms. Kim." She straight up called people who said they felt intimidated and mistreated liars and ridiculous.
That's how a toxic leader is allowed to remain at an organization. People from on high protect her and diminish those who would dare question her.
Please, if you have factual knowledge about Kim, let’s hear it. It makes no sense that you’d pick out one comment in the article (by a person who is non-anonymous) to claim is incorrect, meanwhile apparently giving all credence to those who remain unnamed but claim Kim was bad.
Sounds like Kim got railroaded by people who are dead set on keeping DCPS a failure.
You seem not so bright. Guessing you are in DCPS leadership?
You lead with some weirdness about "factual knowledge about Kim". Setting aside that "factual knowledge" isn't a thing, you fundamentally misunderstand how workplace misconduct investigations work. On rare occasion there's an email or smoking gun recording, but usually it is testimony from others who witnessed or experienced the behaviors. The issue I took with Ms. Davis is that she didn't say anything about her own experience, she instead called others liars and demonized them. She cannot know what they experienced. That kind of response is unacceptable. That she is the kind of "leader" who supports Ms. Kim does not speak well for Ms. Kim.
Ms. Kim may have gotten railroaded. She may be a victim of DCPS dead weight not wanting to be held to account. Personally, I think DCPS Central is the biggest waste of money in all of DC. But when people like you and Ms. Davis respond this way you undermine your own argument and make people like me who are otherwise inclined to consider whether she's a victim of an entrenched lazy DCPS culture instead think, "Well, the people who support Ms. Kim are abusive a-holes so maybe that's indicative of the kind of leader she was."
TL; DR Stop trying to help - you are making it worse.
You think it’s weird that her ally gave a full-throated defense in an article full of otherwise totally anonymous accusations? And you draw all these inferences from that? OK.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 09:10
Subject: Re:DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is my favorite line from the article, "Jacquelyn Davis, Kim’s colleague of more than 20 years, decried the allegations against Kim as ridiculous and untruthful." (my emphasis added).
Who ever the heck Ms. Davis is has disqualified herself from ever holding a position of leadership anywhere, ever. She didn't say "I have never seen such behavior." She didn't say, "That is completely out of character for what I know of Ms. Kim." She straight up called people who said they felt intimidated and mistreated liars and ridiculous.
That's how a toxic leader is allowed to remain at an organization. People from on high protect her and diminish those who would dare question her.
Please, if you have factual knowledge about Kim, let’s hear it. It makes no sense that you’d pick out one comment in the article (by a person who is non-anonymous) to claim is incorrect, meanwhile apparently giving all credence to those who remain unnamed but claim Kim was bad.
Sounds like Kim got railroaded by people who are dead set on keeping DCPS a failure.
You seem not so bright. Guessing you are in DCPS leadership?
You lead with some weirdness about "factual knowledge about Kim". Setting aside that "factual knowledge" isn't a thing, you fundamentally misunderstand how workplace misconduct investigations work. On rare occasion there's an email or smoking gun recording, but usually it is testimony from others who witnessed or experienced the behaviors. The issue I took with Ms. Davis is that she didn't say anything about her own experience, she instead called others liars and demonized them. She cannot know what they experienced. That kind of response is unacceptable. That she is the kind of "leader" who supports Ms. Kim does not speak well for Ms. Kim.
Ms. Kim may have gotten railroaded. She may be a victim of DCPS dead weight not wanting to be held to account. Personally, I think DCPS Central is the biggest waste of money in all of DC. But when people like you and Ms. Davis respond this way you undermine your own argument and make people like me who are otherwise inclined to consider whether she's a victim of an entrenched lazy DCPS culture instead think, "Well, the people who support Ms. Kim are abusive a-holes so maybe that's indicative of the kind of leader she was."
TL; DR Stop trying to help - you are making it worse.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 08:57
Subject: Re:DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Melissa Kim is and was a bully. One time I was in a training led by her and gave feedback, both on what went well and what could have been better. Well, she didn't like my feedback and sent me an incredibly threatening email, and cc'ed my principal (who confirmed to me that she was doing it as a way of telling on me.)
When my principal (who really didn't like me) called me in to their office, I was terrified. However, all they said was, "don't bother talking to Melissa Kim. She won't listen and will hold a grudge." It's literally the only time I can remember my principal defending me.
I feel safe sharing this hear because I am 100% positive I'm not the only teacher who was treated this way by her.
When my principal (who really didn't like me) called me in to their office, I was terrified. However, all they said was, "don't bother talking to Melissa Kim. She won't listen and will hold a grudge." It's literally the only time I can remember my principal defending me.
I feel safe sharing this hear because I am 100% positive I'm not the only teacher who was treated this way by her.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 08:57
Subject: DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Kim sounds like a horrible person. We have this type of person at my agency and all they do is move them around; sad.
Horrible because she “spoke out of place” to her subordinates? What does that even mean? The description in that article has all the hallmarks of a culture where people are mad about being held accountable. As a parent, I can’t help but feel we need people like her leading DCPS.
Hey Melissa. Welcome back to the forum! Will you be going back to the Gates Foundation again?
wow thanks for confirming this is a troll thread meant to spread rumors about Kim. I’m just a DCPS parent. But you clearly have a pre-existing ax to grind that has nothing to do with Kim’s supposed treatment of her subordinates.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 08:50
Subject: DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Kim sounds like a horrible person. We have this type of person at my agency and all they do is move them around; sad.
Horrible because she “spoke out of place” to her subordinates? What does that even mean? The description in that article has all the hallmarks of a culture where people are mad about being held accountable. As a parent, I can’t help but feel we need people like her leading DCPS.
Hey Melissa. Welcome back to the forum! Will you be going back to the Gates Foundation again?
Anonymous
09/27/2022 08:30
Subject: DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DC's Deputy Chancellor, former principal of Alice Deal, is resigning:
https://www.washingtoninformer.com/dcps-deputy-chancellor-melissa-kim-announces-resignation/
The article suggests she was forced out for mistreating other employees. Whether that's true or not, I'm glad to see her gone ever since she testified about learning loss and called it "learning differently" and seemed most concerned about "intersectional forms of oppression" rather than the fact that schools were closed for over a year.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/release_content/attachments/DCPS-Testimony-Learning-Loss_final.pdf
Huh? Did you read her testimony? She talks in detail about the learning loss, and gives a strong defense of in person learning (this was just when schools reopened in Feb 2021.) There is stuff about racial equity in there but it’s mostly about academics.
Right but people like PP hear what they want to hear regardless. Unless Kim talked exclusively about how the Covid shutdown of in person learning was the worst thing in the history of humankind PP wouldn’t be happy.
I actually think OP is a troll who is trying to whip up false claims about Kim. Really nasty.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 08:27
Subject: DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DC's Deputy Chancellor, former principal of Alice Deal, is resigning:
https://www.washingtoninformer.com/dcps-deputy-chancellor-melissa-kim-announces-resignation/
The article suggests she was forced out for mistreating other employees. Whether that's true or not, I'm glad to see her gone ever since she testified about learning loss and called it "learning differently" and seemed most concerned about "intersectional forms of oppression" rather than the fact that schools were closed for over a year.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/release_content/attachments/DCPS-Testimony-Learning-Loss_final.pdf
Huh? Did you read her testimony? She talks in detail about the learning loss, and gives a strong defense of in person learning (this was just when schools reopened in Feb 2021.) There is stuff about racial equity in there but it’s mostly about academics.
Right but people like PP hear what they want to hear regardless. Unless Kim talked exclusively about how the Covid shutdown of in person learning was the worst thing in the history of humankind PP wouldn’t be happy.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 08:21
Subject: Re:DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Anonymous wrote:This is my favorite line from the article, "Jacquelyn Davis, Kim’s colleague of more than 20 years, decried the allegations against Kim as ridiculous and untruthful." (my emphasis added).
Who ever the heck Ms. Davis is has disqualified herself from ever holding a position of leadership anywhere, ever. She didn't say "I have never seen such behavior." She didn't say, "That is completely out of character for what I know of Ms. Kim." She straight up called people who said they felt intimidated and mistreated liars and ridiculous.
That's how a toxic leader is allowed to remain at an organization. People from on high protect her and diminish those who would dare question her.
Please, if you have factual knowledge about Kim, let’s hear it. It makes no sense that you’d pick out one comment in the article (by a person who is non-anonymous) to claim is incorrect, meanwhile apparently giving all credence to those who remain unnamed but claim Kim was bad.
Sounds like Kim got railroaded by people who are dead set on keeping DCPS a failure.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 08:17
Subject: DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Anonymous wrote:Kim sounds like a horrible person. We have this type of person at my agency and all they do is move them around; sad.
Horrible because she “spoke out of place” to her subordinates? What does that even mean? The description in that article has all the hallmarks of a culture where people are mad about being held accountable. As a parent, I can’t help but feel we need people like her leading DCPS.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 08:13
Subject: DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Kim sounds like a horrible person. We have this type of person at my agency and all they do is move them around; sad.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 07:48
Subject: DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Anonymous wrote:DC's Deputy Chancellor, former principal of Alice Deal, is resigning:
https://www.washingtoninformer.com/dcps-deputy-chancellor-melissa-kim-announces-resignation/
The article suggests she was forced out for mistreating other employees. Whether that's true or not, I'm glad to see her gone ever since she testified about learning loss and called it "learning differently" and seemed most concerned about "intersectional forms of oppression" rather than the fact that schools were closed for over a year.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/release_content/attachments/DCPS-Testimony-Learning-Loss_final.pdf
Huh? Did you read her testimony? She talks in detail about the learning loss, and gives a strong defense of in person learning (this was just when schools reopened in Feb 2021.) There is stuff about racial equity in there but it’s mostly about academics.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 07:42
Subject: DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
Sounds like Kim was getting sh*t done, and employees didn’t like actually having to work.
Anonymous
09/27/2022 07:23
Subject: Re:DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
This is my favorite line from the article, "Jacquelyn Davis, Kim’s colleague of more than 20 years, decried the allegations against Kim as ridiculous and untruthful." (my emphasis added).
Who ever the heck Ms. Davis is has disqualified herself from ever holding a position of leadership anywhere, ever. She didn't say "I have never seen such behavior." She didn't say, "That is completely out of character for what I know of Ms. Kim." She straight up called people who said they felt intimidated and mistreated liars and ridiculous.
That's how a toxic leader is allowed to remain at an organization. People from on high protect her and diminish those who would dare question her.
Who ever the heck Ms. Davis is has disqualified herself from ever holding a position of leadership anywhere, ever. She didn't say "I have never seen such behavior." She didn't say, "That is completely out of character for what I know of Ms. Kim." She straight up called people who said they felt intimidated and mistreated liars and ridiculous.
That's how a toxic leader is allowed to remain at an organization. People from on high protect her and diminish those who would dare question her.
Anonymous
09/26/2022 20:40
Subject: DCPS Deputy Chancellor Resigns
DC's Deputy Chancellor, former principal of Alice Deal, is resigning:
https://www.washingtoninformer.com/dcps-deputy-chancellor-melissa-kim-announces-resignation/
The article suggests she was forced out for mistreating other employees. Whether that's true or not, I'm glad to see her gone ever since she testified about learning loss and called it "learning differently" and seemed most concerned about "intersectional forms of oppression" rather than the fact that schools were closed for over a year.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/release_content/attachments/DCPS-Testimony-Learning-Loss_final.pdf
https://www.washingtoninformer.com/dcps-deputy-chancellor-melissa-kim-announces-resignation/
The article suggests she was forced out for mistreating other employees. Whether that's true or not, I'm glad to see her gone ever since she testified about learning loss and called it "learning differently" and seemed most concerned about "intersectional forms of oppression" rather than the fact that schools were closed for over a year.
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/release_content/attachments/DCPS-Testimony-Learning-Loss_final.pdf