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Anonymous wrote:Christian Democrats and lots of Republican Christians and other religious are against that too, OP. Atheists don't hold a monopoly on fighting to maintain the separation of church and state.

That's true. And Christians don't believe in any supernatural phenomena other than their own. But they do believe in their own, and that is a political problem, and a problem for the rest of us who do not believe in it.

I just think we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao agree.

Seriously, though, hyperbole like your OP just makes the people you’re concerned about harden their positions. I say this as someone who’s appalled by Trump’s Supreme Court nominees and the end of Roe v. Wade. Instead give a thought to psychology and ease up on the hyperbole.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao? Who is dealing in hyperbole and propaganda now?

Check my bolded parts in the statement "we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs."

I believe people are capable of this type of growth, and the fact that non-belief is the fastest growing segment by a multiple supports that belief. They just need to know it is OK with society for them to follow the logic to that position.

So the part about not pushing the Trumpies further into their shells just washed over you.

Capitulation will only embolden and will have the opposite effect. I support non-aggressive, calm, factual, logical discussion on these topics, and hopefully people will come to the realization that their beliefs are illogical and de-emphasize them or release them altogether.

We'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs

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Anonymous wrote:That will never happen.

I think we are pretty far down the list of "things that will never happen."

+1

Look at what the Christofacists have accomplished so far. They are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to get their way. They want to force their religion down all of our throats.

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Anonymous wrote:Christian Democrats and lots of Republican Christians and other religious are against that too, OP. Atheists don't hold a monopoly on fighting to maintain the separation of church and state.

That's true. And Christians don't believe in any supernatural phenomena other than their own. But they do believe in their own, and that is a political problem, and a problem for the rest of us who do not believe in it.

I just think we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao agree.

Seriously, though, hyperbole like your OP just makes the people you’re concerned about harden their positions. I say this as someone who’s appalled by Trump’s Supreme Court nominees and the end of Roe v. Wade. Instead give a thought to psychology and ease up on the hyperbole.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao? Who is dealing in hyperbole and propaganda now?

Check my bolded parts in the statement "we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs."

I believe people are capable of this type of growth, and the fact that non-belief is the fastest growing segment by a multiple supports that belief. They just need to know it is OK with society for them to follow the logic to that position.

So the part about not pushing the Trumpies further into their shells just washed over you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christian Democrats and lots of Republican Christians and other religious are against that too, OP. Atheists don't hold a monopoly on fighting to maintain the separation of church and state.

That's true. And Christians don't believe in any supernatural phenomena other than their own. But they do believe in their own, and that is a political problem, and a problem for the rest of us who do not believe in it.

I just think we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao agree.

Seriously, though, hyperbole like your OP just makes the people you’re concerned about harden their positions. I say this as someone who’s appalled by Trump’s Supreme Court nominees and the end of Roe v. Wade. Instead give a thought to psychology and ease up on the hyperbole.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao? Who is dealing in hyperbole and propaganda now?

Check my bolded parts in the statement "we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs."

I believe people are capable of this type of growth, and the fact that non-belief is the fastest growing segment by a multiple supports that belief. They just need to know it is OK with society for them to follow the logic to that position.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christian Democrats and lots of Republican Christians and other religious are against that too, OP. Atheists don't hold a monopoly on fighting to maintain the separation of church and state.

That's true. And Christians don't believe in any supernatural phenomena other than their own. But they do believe in their own, and that is a political problem, and a problem for the rest of us who do not believe in it.

I just think we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao agree.

Seriously, though, hyperbole like your OP just makes the people you’re concerned about harden their positions. I say this as someone who’s appalled by Trump’s Supreme Court nominees and the end of Roe v. Wade. Instead give a thought to psychology and ease up on the hyperbole.

Anonymous wrote:Christian Democrats and lots of Republican Christians and other religious are against that too, OP. Atheists don't hold a monopoly on fighting to maintain the separation of church and state.

That's true. And Christians don't believe in any supernatural phenomena other than their own. But they do believe in their own, and that is a political problem, and a problem for the rest of us who do not believe in it.

I just think we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs.

Christian Democrats and lots of Republican Christians and other religious are against that too, OP. Atheists don't hold a monopoly on fighting to maintain the separation of church and state.

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Anonymous wrote:Whether it actually happens or not is not the concern. The concern is that people are out there actively wanting it, and these people have influence in many many places, at the state, local and federal levels. From school boards to the supreme court. We’ve seen this at all those levels recently and it is terrifying and religion is the core part of the problem.

And before anybody explodes, I’m not saying all religious people are this way. But religion itself is a problem. It’s the 21st-century and we hang onto these beliefs at our own peril.

That kind of black-and-white thinking is equally part of the problem. Concerned about wingnuts hijacking religion? So am I. But you’re only driving them deeper into their shells with fury and hyperbole like this. How about engaging people with different opinions with respect and logic, you’ll get more bees with honey.

If it helps, Republicans are only 26% of the population https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/2_1-15/. “Most” in your article means 60% of Republicans. So we’re talking about 15-16% of the population. We can stop using the word “terrifying.”

Religion is a real threat to American democracy and civil rights, and we have seen that grow AND SUCCEED in very recent history. Facts, logic, science, and the constitution are the things we need to defeat the threat. If you do not accept those things you are part of the problem. And as the article shows, many don't, whether they are registered republicans or not.

Anonymous wrote:Whether it actually happens or not is not the concern. The concern is that people are out there actively wanting it, and these people have influence in many many places, at the state, local and federal levels. From school boards to the supreme court. We’ve seen this at all those levels recently and it is terrifying and religion is the core part of the problem.

And before anybody explodes, I’m not saying all religious people are this way. But religion itself is a problem. It’s the 21st-century and we hang onto these beliefs at our own peril.

That kind of black-and-white thinking is equally part of the problem. Concerned about wingnuts hijacking religion? So am I. But you’re only driving them deeper into their shells with fury and hyperbole like this. How about engaging people with different opinions with respect and logic, you’ll get more bees with honey.

If it helps, Republicans are only 26% of the population https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/2_1-15/. “Most” in your article means 60% of Republicans. So we’re talking about 15-16% of the population. We can stop using the word “terrifying.”

Whether it actually happens or not is not the concern. The concern is that people are out there actively wanting it, and these people have influence in many many places, at the state, local and federal levels. From school boards to the supreme court. We’ve seen this at all those levels recently and it is terrifying and religion is the core part of the problem.

And before anybody explodes, I’m not saying all religious people are this way. But religion itself is a problem. It’s the 21st-century and we hang onto these beliefs at our own peril.

That'll happen when the 2nd Amendment is repealed.

Anonymous wrote:That will never happen.

It seems entirely realistic to me, so much so that I have established dual citizenship with another country and own property abroad.

Anonymous wrote:That will never happen.

I think we are pretty far down the list of "things that will never happen."

That will never happen.

This is terrifying and a big reason we care:

Most Republicans Support Declaring the United States a Christian Nation

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/21/most-republicans-support-declaring-the-united-states-a-christian-nation-00057736

From the article

Christian nationalism, a belief that the United States was founded as a white, Christian nation and that there is no separation between church and state, is gaining steam on the right.

Most Republicans Say Christian Nationalism Is Unconstitutional — But Still Support It

Hopefully that will explain fully to the "why do you care?" crowd.