Anonymous
09/03/2022 09:11
Subject: Re:Iready Placement
Anonymous wrote:what tests has your school done so far?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pls tell us. How do they even use Iready? Do they group the kids in different classrooms according to the score?
If the child is above like the 30th or 40th percentile, they completely ignore it. If the child is below, the child may be flagged for interventions. It is not used for any advanced placements or advanced groupings, even if the child has an outrageously high score.
We used it for Adv Math placement. It is used predominantly to get an idea of which kids are below grade level. Which is why it is asinine to make kids who are high take a test to just take a test.
The testing this year is out of control already.
Testing for the fall in ES this year…
IReady- Reading/Math
VGA-Reading/Math
Developmental Spelling
Lexia- new program for reading that has assessment portion
Some students will be getting additional testing such as Oral Fluency and Core Phonics
Social Emotional Screener
We did IReady last week.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 21:50
Subject: Re:Iready Placement
what tests has your school done so far?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pls tell us. How do they even use Iready? Do they group the kids in different classrooms according to the score?
If the child is above like the 30th or 40th percentile, they completely ignore it. If the child is below, the child may be flagged for interventions. It is not used for any advanced placements or advanced groupings, even if the child has an outrageously high score.
We used it for Adv Math placement. It is used predominantly to get an idea of which kids are below grade level. Which is why it is asinine to make kids who are high take a test to just take a test.
The testing this year is out of control already.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 21:49
Subject: Re:Iready Placement
Anonymous wrote:Have they already given the iReady? DS hasn’t said anything about it
Some may have. We haven't given it yet. We'll do the reading this coming week and the math portion the following week.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 21:24
Subject: Re:Iready Placement
Have they already given the iReady? DS hasn’t said anything about it
Anonymous
09/02/2022 21:20
Subject: Re:Iready Placement
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pls tell us. How do they even use Iready? Do they group the kids in different classrooms according to the score?
If the child is above like the 30th or 40th percentile, they completely ignore it. If the child is below, the child may be flagged for interventions. It is not used for any advanced placements or advanced groupings, even if the child has an outrageously high score.
We used it for Adv Math placement. It is used predominantly to get an idea of which kids are below grade level. Which is why it is asinine to make kids who are high take a test to just take a test.
The testing this year is out of control already.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 20:45
Subject: Re:Iready Placement
Anonymous wrote:Pls tell us. How do they even use Iready? Do they group the kids in different classrooms according to the score?
If the child is above like the 30th or 40th percentile, they completely ignore it. If the child is below, the child may be flagged for interventions. It is not used for any advanced placements or advanced groupings, even if the child has an outrageously high score.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 20:31
Subject: Re:Iready Placement
Pls tell us. How do they even use Iready? Do they group the kids in different classrooms according to the score?
Anonymous
09/02/2022 20:12
Subject: Iready Placement
Anonymous wrote:
So I'm not sure how FCPS should adjust instruction based on this for advanced kids once they are beyond teaching the basics of reading (besides just having AAP). Maybe it's different for math because math instruction is so sequentially based. But my kid can just choose to read more advanced books and extract more meaning from whatever she reads. It seems much more important to use the test to identify kids who struggle with reading.
It's still worthwhile to identify kids who are outliers in language arts, because the school might be able to provide some push-in enrichment, pull outs with a higher grade level or with a resource teacher, and reading materials that are appropriate for the child's level. Even if they can't manage any of that, they would at least know that the kid is far ahead and could let the kid read rather than loading the kid with busywork that is intended to develop skills the kid has already mastered.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 19:29
Subject: Iready Placement
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:iready is fantastic at identifying outliers. My kid consistently scored 100+ points above the 99th percentile cutoff, even when taking the test out-of-grade (i.e. 100 points above 7th grade 99th percentile when taking 7th grade iready test in 4th grade). FCPS won't do anything with the info, but identifying kids who are well beyond the norm is something iready can do.
Their labels are a little weird, and it seems like "On grade level" simply means that the child is within the range that can be differentiated through in a normal classroom. The range is very broad. Below grade level means the kid is far behind and needs some major interventions. Above means that the kid is far enough beyond the norm that the teacher wouldn't be able to meet that kid's needs in a regular classroom.
See my kid always scored that way on the iready too (on the reading) with her level being at the 99% many grades up (and it seemed a bit unbelievable to me that's she's that much of an outlier). Are these really reasonably normed national tests?
Same thing now years later she's taken the scholastic reading inventory and in 7th grade she has a score that is hundreds of points above the "advanced" category of a 12th grader. But again I'm not sure how much it matters to be a high outlier on reading. To me, this just means that she's acquired skills of reading earlier than average and at a reasonably high level, but reading is a skill that most educated people, barring learning disabilities, do acquire fairly fully by the time they reach college. So there's this natural upper bound on the skill. Once you have the skill, it matters more that you spend your time reading and develop meaningful knowledge and insights through it, rather than getting better at the particular skills of reading. It's not like there are 'reading geniuses' among adults like there might be mathematical geniuses that we should be nurturing.
So I'm not sure how FCPS should adjust instruction based on this for advanced kids once they are beyond teaching the basics of reading (besides just having AAP). Maybe it's different for math because math instruction is so sequentially based. But my kid can just choose to read more advanced books and extract more meaning from whatever she reads. It seems much more important to use the test to identify kids who struggle with reading.
Teacher here. What is ridiculous is forcing kids who score 90th percentile or higher to take this test every year 2-3 times a year. I feel if they test high in the fall they should be done.
I'm the PP and yes! Let her read a book instead!
Anonymous
09/02/2022 19:28
Subject: Iready Placement
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:iready is fantastic at identifying outliers. My kid consistently scored 100+ points above the 99th percentile cutoff, even when taking the test out-of-grade (i.e. 100 points above 7th grade 99th percentile when taking 7th grade iready test in 4th grade). FCPS won't do anything with the info, but identifying kids who are well beyond the norm is something iready can do.
Their labels are a little weird, and it seems like "On grade level" simply means that the child is within the range that can be differentiated through in a normal classroom. The range is very broad. Below grade level means the kid is far behind and needs some major interventions. Above means that the kid is far enough beyond the norm that the teacher wouldn't be able to meet that kid's needs in a regular classroom.
See my kid always scored that way on the iready too (on the reading) with her level being at the 99% many grades up (and it seemed a bit unbelievable to me that's she's that much of an outlier). Are these really reasonably normed national tests?
Same thing now years later she's taken the scholastic reading inventory and in 7th grade she has a score that is hundreds of points above the "advanced" category of a 12th grader. But again I'm not sure how much it matters to be a high outlier on reading. To me, this just means that she's acquired skills of reading earlier than average and at a reasonably high level, but reading is a skill that most educated people, barring learning disabilities, do acquire fairly fully by the time they reach college. So there's this natural upper bound on the skill. Once you have the skill, it matters more that you spend your time reading and develop meaningful knowledge and insights through it, rather than getting better at the particular skills of reading. It's not like there are 'reading geniuses' among adults like there might be mathematical geniuses that we should be nurturing.
So I'm not sure how FCPS should adjust instruction based on this for advanced kids once they are beyond teaching the basics of reading (besides just having AAP). Maybe it's different for math because math instruction is so sequentially based. But my kid can just choose to read more advanced books and extract more meaning from whatever she reads. It seems much more important to use the test to identify kids who struggle with reading.
Teacher here. What is ridiculous is forcing kids who score 90th percentile or higher to take this test every year 2-3 times a year. I feel if they test high in the fall they should be done.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 19:05
Subject: Iready Placement
Anonymous wrote:iready is fantastic at identifying outliers. My kid consistently scored 100+ points above the 99th percentile cutoff, even when taking the test out-of-grade (i.e. 100 points above 7th grade 99th percentile when taking 7th grade iready test in 4th grade). FCPS won't do anything with the info, but identifying kids who are well beyond the norm is something iready can do.
Their labels are a little weird, and it seems like "On grade level" simply means that the child is within the range that can be differentiated through in a normal classroom. The range is very broad. Below grade level means the kid is far behind and needs some major interventions. Above means that the kid is far enough beyond the norm that the teacher wouldn't be able to meet that kid's needs in a regular classroom.
See my kid always scored that way on the iready too (on the reading) with her level being at the 99% many grades up (and it seemed a bit unbelievable to me that's she's that much of an outlier). Are these really reasonably normed national tests?
Same thing now years later she's taken the scholastic reading inventory and in 7th grade she has a score that is hundreds of points above the "advanced" category of a 12th grader. But again I'm not sure how much it matters to be a high outlier on reading. To me, this just means that she's acquired skills of reading earlier than average and at a reasonably high level, but reading is a skill that most educated people, barring learning disabilities, do acquire fairly fully by the time they reach college. So there's this natural upper bound on the skill. Once you have the skill, it matters more that you spend your time reading and develop meaningful knowledge and insights through it, rather than getting better at the particular skills of reading. It's not like there are 'reading geniuses' among adults like there might be mathematical geniuses that we should be nurturing.
So I'm not sure how FCPS should adjust instruction based on this for advanced kids once they are beyond teaching the basics of reading (besides just having AAP). Maybe it's different for math because math instruction is so sequentially based. But my kid can just choose to read more advanced books and extract more meaning from whatever she reads. It seems much more important to use the test to identify kids who struggle with reading.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 16:59
Subject: Iready Placement
iready is fantastic at identifying outliers. My kid consistently scored 100+ points above the 99th percentile cutoff, even when taking the test out-of-grade (i.e. 100 points above 7th grade 99th percentile when taking 7th grade iready test in 4th grade). FCPS won't do anything with the info, but identifying kids who are well beyond the norm is something iready can do.
Their labels are a little weird, and it seems like "On grade level" simply means that the child is within the range that can be differentiated through in a normal classroom. The range is very broad. Below grade level means the kid is far behind and needs some major interventions. Above means that the kid is far enough beyond the norm that the teacher wouldn't be able to meet that kid's needs in a regular classroom.
Their labels are a little weird, and it seems like "On grade level" simply means that the child is within the range that can be differentiated through in a normal classroom. The range is very broad. Below grade level means the kid is far behind and needs some major interventions. Above means that the kid is far enough beyond the norm that the teacher wouldn't be able to meet that kid's needs in a regular classroom.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 16:54
Subject: Iready Placement
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone found the iReady Placement is a little bit weird? It seems they place every child score below 99 percentile one grade above as "on level". For example, according to this table:
https://cabarrus.instructure.com/courses/73571/files/15231474
A fourth grade score 526 would be considered "on level" (grade 4) instead of one level above (grade 5), while according to this table:
https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/7539/urlt/iready-norms-tables-K-8-2020.pdf
Math scale score of 526 can be placed as 95 percentile as a 6th grader (and a fourth grader need to do many 6th or 7th grade questions right to get a score like 526.
In my understanding, iready is primarily meant as a screener to catch problems rather than a tool to identify high learners so it may not be sensitive to do assess above grade level well.
Yeah it was put in by the counting after the state mandated a universal screener. A group parents who felt their child was dyslexic lobbied heavily for a screener. It is a waste of time for most kids, but that particular group of parents are happy.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 15:46
Subject: Iready Placement
Anonymous wrote:Anyone found the iReady Placement is a little bit weird? It seems they place every child score below 99 percentile one grade above as "on level". For example, according to this table:
https://cabarrus.instructure.com/courses/73571/files/15231474
A fourth grade score 526 would be considered "on level" (grade 4) instead of one level above (grade 5), while according to this table:
https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/7539/urlt/iready-norms-tables-K-8-2020.pdf
Math scale score of 526 can be placed as 95 percentile as a 6th grader (and a fourth grader need to do many 6th or 7th grade questions right to get a score like 526.
In my understanding, iready is primarily meant as a screener to catch problems rather than a tool to identify high learners so it may not be sensitive to do assess above grade level well.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 14:52
Subject: Iready Placement
Anyone found the iReady Placement is a little bit weird? It seems they place every child score below 99 percentile one grade above as "on level". For example, according to this table:
https://cabarrus.instructure.com/courses/73571/files/15231474
A fourth grade score 526 would be considered "on level" (grade 4) instead of one level above (grade 5), while according to this table:
https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/7539/urlt/iready-norms-tables-K-8-2020.pdf
Math scale score of 526 can be placed as 95 percentile as a 6th grader (and a fourth grader need to do many 6th or 7th grade questions right to get a score like 526.
https://cabarrus.instructure.com/courses/73571/files/15231474
A fourth grade score 526 would be considered "on level" (grade 4) instead of one level above (grade 5), while according to this table:
https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/7539/urlt/iready-norms-tables-K-8-2020.pdf
Math scale score of 526 can be placed as 95 percentile as a 6th grader (and a fourth grader need to do many 6th or 7th grade questions right to get a score like 526.