Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference?

The due date comes first. This is the official language in the regulation on grading and reporting:

Secondary teachers are responsible for the following:

a) Establishing due dates and deadlines.

(1) Teachers are expected to separate the due date from the deadline in order to increase opportunities for students to complete assignments.

(2) Work turned in after the due date and by the deadline may be lowered no more than one letter grade or 10 percent of the grade. Work submitted after the deadline will be recorded as a zero.

That’s really stupid and just reinforces kids not doing their work on time. If I were a teacher there every deadline would be 1 day after the due date.

Many of us teachers hate the due date/deadline separation but we have no choice.
My school pressures us not to have deadlines at all if possible

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At BTSN last night we heard all about the difference between “due dates” and “deadlines.” I am a college professor and am so frustrated that this is what the kids learn at such an early age. The quality of students I see is going steadily down, with increased entitlement and expectations that course requirements are subject to negotiation, and now I have no question as to why that is. Its the same absurdity as the 50% rule.

You must not be a good college professor.

Really? I see many college professors who say the paper is due on X date. Late papers will have a 10% deduction per day late.
That’s a due date and deadline.

Heard the same at our MS (just in one class though.) Kinda wish teachers would spend more time... teaching... versus going over these concepts that have a high chance of confusing students and that are kind of unnecessary... just give the dates assignments are due by and then say you get a 10% penalty per day (or whatever your rule is - I'm fine with it being worth 0% the next day, just make it clear.)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At BTSN last night we heard all about the difference between “due dates” and “deadlines.” I am a college professor and am so frustrated that this is what the kids learn at such an early age. The quality of students I see is going steadily down, with increased entitlement and expectations that course requirements are subject to negotiation, and now I have no question as to why that is. Its the same absurdity as the 50% rule.

You must not be a good college professor.

Um, okay.

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference?

The due date comes first. This is the official language in the regulation on grading and reporting:

Secondary teachers are responsible for the following:

a) Establishing due dates and deadlines.

(1) Teachers are expected to separate the due date from the deadline in order to increase opportunities for students to complete assignments.

(2) Work turned in after the due date and by the deadline may be lowered no more than one letter grade or 10 percent of the grade. Work submitted after the deadline will be recorded as a zero.

Can someone explain the difference?

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if we were at the same back to school night classroom because I heard this too and thought it was really strange to have a due date and deadline distinction.

I’m telling my daughter that her work is due by the due date. no excuses.

This was Pyle, right? This isn’t new. I assume it’s throughout the county.

Anonymous wrote:At BTSN last night we heard all about the difference between “due dates” and “deadlines.” I am a college professor and am so frustrated that this is what the kids learn at such an early age. The quality of students I see is going steadily down, with increased entitlement and expectations that course requirements are subject to negotiation, and now I have no question as to why that is. Its the same absurdity as the 50% rule.

You must not be a good college professor.

Teachers are supposed to have penalties for assignments not submitted by the due date, but prior to the deadline. Some of my DC's teachers adhered by this.

I told DC before they headed to college "You've gotta understand. In college, the professors won't put up with this MCPS nonsense. There is no 50% rule. There is a due date and then a deadline but there is no penalty for submitting work after the deadline. The Due Date is the date."

DC is a first year student now. Fingers crossed. I tried to undo as much of the MCPS "logic" that I could out of them.

Anonymous wrote:At BTSN last night we heard all about the difference between “due dates” and “deadlines.” I am a college professor and am so frustrated that this is what the kids learn at such an early age. The quality of students I see is going steadily down, with increased entitlement and expectations that course requirements are subject to negotiation, and now I have no question as to why that is. Its the same absurdity as the 50% rule.

Middle school kids (11-13 yr olds) and high school kids (14-17 yr olds) are very different from college students (18-21 yr olds) and their developmental capabilities are taken into consideration while they are learning how to organize and manage themselves. The reason for a difference between a due date and a deadline is so that there is an opportunity to intervene when a student misses the due date. MS & HS also have to account for students with accommodations who get 1.5x time or 2.0x to complete assignments. This year it was clarified that time accommodations apply to the due dates, not the deadlines. Teachers are supposed to set deadlines so that students with extended time have enough time to meet them. In practice, as students get to higher grades or take harder (AP/IB) classes, the flexibility should diminish.

If you are complaining about the most recent college students, remember that they just had 3 years where almost all accountability was thrown out due to the pandemic. This year MCPS is re-establishing previous practices, which will take a while to filter up to college enrollees.

It is frustrating, but it's not new in MCPS. They've been using the due date and deadline system for the past 15-20 years if not more.

I wonder if we were at the same back to school night classroom because I heard this too and thought it was really strange to have a due date and deadline distinction.

I’m telling my daughter that her work is due by the due date. no excuses.

Sorry, typo. I meant to say “it’s” the same absurdity.”

At BTSN last night we heard all about the difference between “due dates” and “deadlines.” I am a college professor and am so frustrated that this is what the kids learn at such an early age. The quality of students I see is going steadily down, with increased entitlement and expectations that course requirements are subject to negotiation, and now I have no question as to why that is. Its the same absurdity as the 50% rule.