Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 18:21     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In real life, the poverty level for a family of 4 is $27,750

(https://aspe.hhs.gov/topics/poverty-economic-mobility/poverty-guidelines)

FCPS is using bureaucratic slight-of-had by using the eligibility for reduced price meals ($51,337) instead of the official amount and calling it poverty. With the national average income of men ($61,417) and women ($50,982),31% seems low. Of course this is DCUM where people think 100K+ is middle class.

Special ed does not only include those with significant limitations, it is the accounting bucket for all the IEPs too. So it also seems low.

Remember, bureaucrats speak their own disorienting language. Remember these are the people saying budgets are down, when they go up every single year.

In other words, from the classics: “When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. ' '



$51,000 per year for a family of four in this area is poverty. I don’t care that you can live well on that in Dothan, Alabama. A two bedroom rental in places like Herndon or Sterling costs $1800 minimum.


Agreed, living around in this area on 51K is very hard, no argument here at all.

But FCPS could say that, they just don't. They mis-define a word to mean something other than what it does.

They could just be honest. They should. It doesn't change the analysis at all.

Words have meaning. Just saying honesty is a pretty good policy they should consider.



There's no dishonesty. That is how poverty is defined in reference to a local area and local costs --in relation to local median income. There are about a million policy papers written on this.

Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 16:59     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:🙄
I used poverty as a normal person word rather than “economically disadvantaged” which no one IRL says.

- OP


These mean two different things.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 15:28     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Found this interesting. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY-2023-Advertised-Budget.pdf

Did not realize the poverty rate was as high as 31%
Did not realize 19% of funds went to special education - almost as much as funds for high schools.



That 31% is not evenly distributed as you probably know. Langley barely has any, while Justice, Mount Vernon, Annandale, Lewis, Falls Church, Herndon, and West Potomac are hammered.

If you live outside of the schools that shoulder the burden you could miss it entirely.

And that overall rate is up considerably over the last 15 years.


These things don’t just happen by accident. FCPS staff proposed to reassign some moderate-income apartments in Tysons to Langley in 2020 and the local School Board member, who lives in the Langley district, overrode the staff recommendation and made sure only expensive single-family homes further from Langley were reassigned instead.

When the faux-Democrats on the School Board like Elaine Tholen won’t even move some moderate-income apartments to Langley, you can be sure they’ll continue to find ways to exclude FARMS kids as well. In comparison, over the years, the School Board stripped many of the single-family neighborhoods out of Annandale and Lewis and concentrated poverty at those schools.


Her McLean predecessor Jane Strauss tried to move lower income apartments to Langley in early 2019, they shot her down because they were planning a county-wide boundary overhaul to redistribute children by race and parental income.

That didn’t work out for the Dem-dominated board, who had to back away from their plans a few months later for the sake of their career ambitions.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 13:55     Subject: FCPS Budget
🙄
I used poverty as a normal person word rather than “economically disadvantaged” which no one IRL says.

- OP
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 13:12     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:In real life, the poverty level for a family of 4 is $27,750

(https://aspe.hhs.gov/topics/poverty-economic-mobility/poverty-guidelines)

FCPS is using bureaucratic slight-of-had by using the eligibility for reduced price meals ($51,337) instead of the official amount and calling it poverty. With the national average income of men ($61,417) and women ($50,982),31% seems low. Of course this is DCUM where people think 100K+ is middle class.

Special ed does not only include those with significant limitations, it is the accounting bucket for all the IEPs too. So it also seems low.

Remember, bureaucrats speak their own disorienting language. Remember these are the people saying budgets are down, when they go up every single year.

In other words, from the classics: “When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. ' '


FCPS did no such thing. The OP did. The word poverty is found not once in that budget link that was posted.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 10:13     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Found this interesting. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY-2023-Advertised-Budget.pdf

Did not realize the poverty rate was as high as 31%
Did not realize 19% of funds went to special education - almost as much as funds for high schools.



That 31% is not evenly distributed as you probably know. Langley barely has any, while Justice, Mount Vernon, Annandale, Lewis, Falls Church, Herndon, and West Potomac are hammered.

If you live outside of the schools that shoulder the burden you could miss it entirely.

And that overall rate is up considerably over the last 15 years.


These things don’t just happen by accident. FCPS staff proposed to reassign some moderate-income apartments in Tysons to Langley in 2020 and the local School Board member, who lives in the Langley district, overrode the staff recommendation and made sure only expensive single-family homes further from Langley were reassigned instead.

When the faux-Democrats on the School Board like Elaine Tholen won’t even move some moderate-income apartments to Langley, you can be sure they’ll continue to find ways to exclude FARMS kids as well. In comparison, over the years, the School Board stripped many of the single-family neighborhoods out of Annandale and Lewis and concentrated poverty at those schools.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 09:30     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In real life, the poverty level for a family of 4 is $27,750

(https://aspe.hhs.gov/topics/poverty-economic-mobility/poverty-guidelines)

FCPS is using bureaucratic slight-of-had by using the eligibility for reduced price meals ($51,337) instead of the official amount and calling it poverty. With the national average income of men ($61,417) and women ($50,982),31% seems low. Of course this is DCUM where people think 100K+ is middle class.

Special ed does not only include those with significant limitations, it is the accounting bucket for all the IEPs too. So it also seems low.

Remember, bureaucrats speak their own disorienting language. Remember these are the people saying budgets are down, when they go up every single year.

In other words, from the classics: “When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. ' '



$51,000 per year for a family of four in this area is poverty. I don’t care that you can live well on that in Dothan, Alabama. A two bedroom rental in places like Herndon or Sterling costs $1800 minimum.


Agreed, living around in this area on 51K is very hard, no argument here at all.

But FCPS could say that, they just don't. They mis-define a word to mean something other than what it does.

They could just be honest. They should. It doesn't change the analysis at all.

Words have meaning. Just saying honesty is a pretty good policy they should consider.


They used the term economically disadvantaged- it what way did they misdefine it?
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 09:27     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:Found this interesting. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY-2023-Advertised-Budget.pdf

Did not realize the poverty rate was as high as 31%
Did not realize 19% of funds went to special education - almost as much as funds for high schools.



That 31% is not evenly distributed as you probably know. Langley barely has any, while Justice, Mount Vernon, Annandale, Lewis, Falls Church, Herndon, and West Potomac are hammered.

If you live outside of the schools that shoulder the burden you could miss it entirely.

And that overall rate is up considerably over the last 15 years.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 09:26     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In real life, the poverty level for a family of 4 is $27,750

(https://aspe.hhs.gov/topics/poverty-economic-mobility/poverty-guidelines)

FCPS is using bureaucratic slight-of-had by using the eligibility for reduced price meals ($51,337) instead of the official amount and calling it poverty. With the national average income of men ($61,417) and women ($50,982),31% seems low. Of course this is DCUM where people think 100K+ is middle class.

Special ed does not only include those with significant limitations, it is the accounting bucket for all the IEPs too. So it also seems low.

Remember, bureaucrats speak their own disorienting language. Remember these are the people saying budgets are down, when they go up every single year.

In other words, from the classics: “When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. ' '



$51,000 per year for a family of four in this area is poverty. I don’t care that you can live well on that in Dothan, Alabama. A two bedroom rental in places like Herndon or Sterling costs $1800 minimum.


Agreed, living around in this area on 51K is very hard, no argument here at all.

But FCPS could say that, they just don't. They mis-define a word to mean something other than what it does.

They could just be honest. They should. It doesn't change the analysis at all.

Words have meaning. Just saying honesty is a pretty good policy they should consider.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 09:06     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:Found this interesting. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY-2023-Advertised-Budget.pdf

Did not realize the poverty rate was as high as 31%
Did not realize 19% of funds went to special education - almost as much as funds for high schools.



For all the threads about the quality of lunches or class sizes, those two numbers are the reason
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 09:04     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:In real life, the poverty level for a family of 4 is $27,750

(https://aspe.hhs.gov/topics/poverty-economic-mobility/poverty-guidelines)

FCPS is using bureaucratic slight-of-had by using the eligibility for reduced price meals ($51,337) instead of the official amount and calling it poverty. With the national average income of men ($61,417) and women ($50,982),31% seems low. Of course this is DCUM where people think 100K+ is middle class.

Special ed does not only include those with significant limitations, it is the accounting bucket for all the IEPs too. So it also seems low.

Remember, bureaucrats speak their own disorienting language. Remember these are the people saying budgets are down, when they go up every single year.

In other words, from the classics: “When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. ' '



$51,000 per year for a family of four in this area is poverty. I don’t care that you can live well on that in Dothan, Alabama. A two bedroom rental in places like Herndon or Sterling costs $1800 minimum.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 08:49     Subject: FCPS Budget
In real life, the poverty level for a family of 4 is $27,750

(https://aspe.hhs.gov/topics/poverty-economic-mobility/poverty-guidelines)

FCPS is using bureaucratic slight-of-had by using the eligibility for reduced price meals ($51,337) instead of the official amount and calling it poverty. With the national average income of men ($61,417) and women ($50,982),31% seems low. Of course this is DCUM where people think 100K+ is middle class.

Special ed does not only include those with significant limitations, it is the accounting bucket for all the IEPs too. So it also seems low.

Remember, bureaucrats speak their own disorienting language. Remember these are the people saying budgets are down, when they go up every single year.

In other words, from the classics: “When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. ' '
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 07:07     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:Found this interesting. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY-2023-Advertised-Budget.pdf

Did not realize the poverty rate was as high as 31%
Did not realize 19% of funds went to special education - almost as much as funds for high schools.

The poverty rate is even higher when you consider how expensive this area is. It is based off the national poverty rate and does not take differences in local cost of living into consideration.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 06:59     Subject: FCPS Budget
Anonymous wrote:Found this interesting. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY-2023-Advertised-Budget.pdf

Did not realize the poverty rate was as high as 31%
Did not realize 19% of funds went to special education - almost as much as funds for high schools.

With nearly 15% of the population in special education, I am surprised it isn’t higher.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2022 05:39     Subject: FCPS Budget
Found this interesting. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY-2023-Advertised-Budget.pdf

Did not realize the poverty rate was as high as 31%
Did not realize 19% of funds went to special education - almost as much as funds for high schools.