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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

Exhibit A of how people just want to get outraged about something they don't really know the details of, exaggeration and making a complex situation black-and-white because nuance is hard and boring. There were real First Amendment issues at play about holding institutions liable for the actions of others and finding that opinions (including statements like "X is racist"), constitute actionable defamation. I'm pretty sure that Oberlin has legal counsel and is consulting with them, and I'm equally sure that anyone still using the term "woke" has a conservative agenda.

This is a misrepresentation of the case. The Court found that members of the Oberlin Administration used school resources to support the protests and boycott, and the college itself broke off a long-standing business relationship with the bakery in an attempt to put them out of business. The college not only retained and failed to discipline the administrator involved, when she recently left for a higher position at another university, they praised her as a “much loved” faculty member. Two owners of the bakery have died since the case began and the Oberlin Board continues to authorize appeals in a clear attempt to drag out the litigation to outlast the resources of the family. This is a university that is supposed to be teaching ethics to a younger generation?

Precisely this. Oberlin is a prime example of how NOT to treat others. Terrible example for their students.

Anonymous wrote:Wow. The owner's video on that link is a MUST SEE.

That bakery served that community forever, and they turn their back on that family? The elderly dad chased the Oberlin student thief down the street and was attacked by their friends?

Did that kid attend Oberlin on scholarship, and graduate without debt? The former Oberlin president has peacefully moved on to another job in another state for another university??

The bakery won and the school refuses to pay?
Unconscionable, truly. The whole thing reeks.

+1. Very stupid on behalf of the College

Anonymous wrote:Wow. The owner's video on that link is a MUST SEE.

That bakery served that community forever, and they turn their back on that family? The elderly dad chased the Oberlin student thief down the street and was attacked by their friends?

Did that kid attend Oberlin on scholarship, and graduate without debt? The former Oberlin president has peacefully moved on to another job in another state for another university??

The bakery won and the school refuses to pay?

Unconscionable, truly. The whole thing reeks.

THIS ^^
Also unconscionable is anyone trying to pretend this was a nothingburger and/or “blown out of proportion”. What happened was truly disgusting. And I say that as someone who was moderately interested in sending our child to Oberlin at one time. No way in hell anymore.

Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

Sounds very much like wishful thinking on your part. We are all well aware of “what went down,” thanks - and Oberlin should be ashamed of what they did to this small business and family.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

Exhibit A of how people just want to get outraged about something they don't really know the details of, exaggeration and making a complex situation black-and-white because nuance is hard and boring. There were real First Amendment issues at play about holding institutions liable for the actions of others and finding that opinions (including statements like "X is racist"), constitute actionable defamation. I'm pretty sure that Oberlin has legal counsel and is consulting with them, and I'm equally sure that anyone still using the term "woke" has a conservative agenda.

This is a misrepresentation of the case. The Court found that members of the Oberlin Administration used school resources to support the protests and boycott, and the college itself broke off a long-standing business relationship with the bakery in an attempt to put them out of business. The college not only retained and failed to discipline the administrator involved, when she recently left for a higher position at another university, they praised her as a “much loved” faculty member. Two owners of the bakery have died since the case began and the Oberlin Board continues to authorize appeals in a clear attempt to drag out the litigation to outlast the resources of the family. This is a university that is supposed to be teaching ethics to a younger generation?

What loving parent will send their daughter to college in Ohio with its six-week fetal heartbeat law?
How many young women think they might be just a little late?

They got in trouble because a college employee using college resources helped organize and publicize a protest and boycott of the business. If it had just been students organizing themselves, the college would be in the clear. When it quickly became clear that the students had committed a crime against the business, the university should have come out and firmly supported the business that they had a long working relationship with. Had they done those things, they would not have lost the case.

They will eventually have to pay because the facts are against them. But, they have deeper pockets so they may be able to wait out the family and get them to agree to a lower number if they can put them out of business first. Lawyers are not terrible, but the college’s lawyers will try to get the best deal for the college within the law. If they admit wrongdoing now, it will hurt their chances of getting the family to agree to less.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

Exhibit A of how people just want to get outraged about something they don't really know the details of, exaggeration and making a complex situation black-and-white because nuance is hard and boring. There were real First Amendment issues at play about holding institutions liable for the actions of others and finding that opinions (including statements like "X is racist"), constitute actionable defamation. I'm pretty sure that Oberlin has legal counsel and is consulting with them, and I'm equally sure that anyone still using the term "woke" has a conservative agenda.

Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

Wow. The owner's video on that link is a MUST SEE.

That bakery served that community forever, and they turn their back on that family? The elderly dad chased the Oberlin student thief down the street and was attacked by their friends?

Did that kid attend Oberlin on scholarship, and graduate without debt? The former Oberlin president has peacefully moved on to another job in another state for another university??

The bakery won and the school refuses to pay?

Unconscionable, truly. The whole thing reeks.

99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

What the school did to that business was horrible. I would not blame an Oberlin grad though. That wasn’t their fault. The alumni need to take action and not donate. Also if I was a big donor who endowed something -I would speak out. I feel for businesses like this who are basically demonized with zero proof. Good for them to taking on a huge institution.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10999721/amp/Woke-Oberlin-College-hit-4m-dragging-heels-paying-36m-family-run-bakery.html

They have to pay 4 million in interest for not paying the 36 million suit. Tried to post in a previous thread but it was locked. Wondering if this hurts grads employment prospects? Conservatives seem to have gone from not even knowing the school to absolutely hating it.

Must be a slow Sunday....

Go woke and go broke.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10999721/amp/Woke-Oberlin-College-hit-4m-dragging-heels-paying-36m-family-run-bakery.html

They have to pay 4 million in interest for not paying the 36 million suit. Tried to post in a previous thread but it was locked. Wondering if this hurts grads employment prospects? Conservatives seem to have gone from not even knowing the school to absolutely hating it.