Anonymous
05/19/2022 18:20
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So we are supposed to explain the finer points of hypothetical state level laws on contraception?
This isn't a hypothetical state law. The governor of Oklahoma is expected to sign legislation outlawing abortion at conception. What's so hard to understand?
Im not the one asking for clarity on how it works. Maybe review the legislation?
Dp- we don’t want people doing that. We don’t want people talking about that.
We don’t want women to notice we’re stripping them of their rights.
It's a hypothetical question, but how are these laws going to be enforced? Or is the plan just to frighten women into submission?
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:59
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So we are supposed to explain the finer points of hypothetical state level laws on contraception?
This isn't a hypothetical state law. The governor of Oklahoma is expected to sign legislation outlawing abortion at conception. What's so hard to understand?
Im not the one asking for clarity on how it works. Maybe review the legislation?
Dp- we don’t want people doing that. We don’t want people talking about that.
We don’t want women to notice we’re stripping them of their rights.
Well, I got curious and looked it up. There is no ban on contraceptives in Oklahoma. The abortion bill specifically excludes contraception and emergency contraception, which is a very early abortion. It also does not make abortion a criminal or civil offense, it just provides standing if someone chooses to sue you for it. This is not legal advice, and I recommend consulting your attorney.
So an abusive husband/partner might sue his wife/partner?
Again, this is not legal advice. But my quick reading is that anyone could sue for it. Now, what damages could be awarded, etc-- totally unclear.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:55
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So we are supposed to explain the finer points of hypothetical state level laws on contraception?
This isn't a hypothetical state law. The governor of Oklahoma is expected to sign legislation outlawing abortion at conception. What's so hard to understand?
Im not the one asking for clarity on how it works. Maybe review the legislation?
Dp- we don’t want people doing that. We don’t want people talking about that.
We don’t want women to notice we’re stripping them of their rights.
Well, I got curious and looked it up. There is no ban on contraceptives in Oklahoma. The abortion bill specifically excludes contraception and emergency contraception, which is a very early abortion. It also does not make abortion a criminal or civil offense, it just provides standing if someone chooses to sue you for it. This is not legal advice, and I recommend consulting your attorney.
So an abusive husband/partner might sue his wife/partner?
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:49
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So we are supposed to explain the finer points of hypothetical state level laws on contraception?
This isn't a hypothetical state law. The governor of Oklahoma is expected to sign legislation outlawing abortion at conception. What's so hard to understand?
Im not the one asking for clarity on how it works. Maybe review the legislation?
Dp- we don’t want people doing that. We don’t want people talking about that.
We don’t want women to notice we’re stripping them of their rights.
Well, I got curious and looked it up. There is no ban on contraceptives in Oklahoma. The abortion bill specifically excludes contraception and emergency contraception, which is a very early abortion. It also does not make abortion a criminal or civil offense, it just provides standing if someone chooses to sue you for it. This is not legal advice, and I recommend consulting your attorney.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:46
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So we are supposed to explain the finer points of hypothetical state level laws on contraception?
This isn't a hypothetical state law. The governor of Oklahoma is expected to sign legislation outlawing abortion at conception. What's so hard to understand?
Im not the one asking for clarity on how it works. Maybe review the legislation?
Dp- we don’t want people doing that. We don’t want people talking about that.
We don’t want women to notice we’re stripping them of their rights.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:42
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So we are supposed to explain the finer points of hypothetical state level laws on contraception?
This isn't a hypothetical state law. The governor of Oklahoma is expected to sign legislation outlawing abortion at conception. What's so hard to understand?
Im not the one asking for clarity on how it works. Maybe review the legislation?
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:39
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:So we are supposed to explain the finer points of hypothetical state level laws on contraception?
This isn't a hypothetical state law. The governor of Oklahoma is expected to sign legislation outlawing abortion at conception. What's so hard to understand?
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:37
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:So we are supposed to explain the finer points of hypothetical state level laws on contraception?
I thought this was a discussion forum?
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:33
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
So we are supposed to explain the finer points of hypothetical state level laws on contraception?
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:22
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is already a 200 page thread discussing this. IUDs and Plan B pills could both be criminalized under the GOP plan.
Link please?
DP. You can’t find the 200+ page thread on the first page of the politics forum?
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:03
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:There is already a 200 page thread discussing this. IUDs and Plan B pills could both be criminalized under the GOP plan.
Link please?
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:00
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
Anonymous wrote:What?
What don't you understand? If a fertilized egg is considered to be a person, and an IUD prevents implantation of a fertilized egg, then an IUD can be considered to be an abortifacient.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 16:57
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
There is already a 200 page thread discussing this. IUDs and Plan B pills could both be criminalized under the GOP plan.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 16:51
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
What?
Anonymous
05/19/2022 16:50
Subject: Personhood laws and IUDs
So, what happens if states pass personhood laws and outlaw IUDs? What if a woman has an IUD inserted in a state without personhood laws, and then moves to a state with these laws? Will she need to have the IUD removed? Will women be allowed to cross state lines to have IUDs inserted? How will this be policed?