Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see protests outside Catholic Churches and I understand the Christian position is staunchly pro-life. But how come we never hear about any other religions’ stance on abortion? Is it not as prominent a topic in other religions? Do other religions have differing positions, and perhaps less political skin in the game? For example, I read that in some sects of Judaism the fetus is considered a part of the mother, and a “person” begins a birth (paraphrasing). And potentially, does the scotus overturn of RvW (and the GOP running with it) run some non-Christian religious voters the wrong way? I guess another way to put it is….is the pro-life Christian vote that big that it’s worth throwing all eggs in that basket (McConnell I’m lookin at you…)?

Jewish tradition cherishes the sanctity of life, including the potential of life during pregnancy, but does not believe that personhood and human rights begin with conception, but rather with birth as indicated by Exodus 21:22-23. Jewish teachings in the Torah and Talmud support the (Jewish legal) necessity of access to abortion. Judaism has a very nuanced view of abortion and is much more flexible and lenient in it's interpretations of when an abortion is not just allowed but an actual obligation. If a mothers life is endangered physically or emotionally by a pregnancy's her life takes precedence over that of a fetus. Having access to safe and legal abortion is a religious issue and one that should be decided by a women, her doctor and religious advisor when requested, not by the government. Most Jews see any restrictions on abortion as an infringement of their religious rights to observe and have the freedom to practice their religion which is different then Evangelical Christianity.

This poster is correct. Also, there is a lot of mental gymnastics in the Jewish religious space right now because (for all kinds of sociological reasons) a lot of the Orthodox population identifies as Republican/conservative (in truth, I think many are in the more liberterian camp), with a lot of influential leadership that has cast its lot with the christian evangelical right. It is a big issue because Jewish law does not align with the christian right on this issue.

further reading:
https://jewishinsider.com/2022/05/supreme-court-abortion-ruling-jewish-groups/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

+100. I’d be very scared to be them right now with the precedent they are creating. A country that doesn’t respect a woman’s constitutional right to her own body and puts that in the control of the majority isn’t going to have any allies left when the majority turns against them.

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

Anonymous wrote:I see protests outside Catholic Churches and I understand the Christian position is staunchly pro-life. But how come we never hear about any other religions’ stance on abortion? Is it not as prominent a topic in other religions? Do other religions have differing positions, and perhaps less political skin in the game? For example, I read that in some sects of Judaism the fetus is considered a part of the mother, and a “person” begins a birth (paraphrasing). And potentially, does the scotus overturn of RvW (and the GOP running with it) run some non-Christian religious voters the wrong way? I guess another way to put it is….is the pro-life Christian vote that big that it’s worth throwing all eggs in that basket (McConnell I’m lookin at you…)?

Yes, Christians who think like this are a minority. However, the Senate gives widely disproportionate representation to low-population states and a lot of the low-population states are dominated by these very same people. McConnell knows this.

The Catholic Church is by far the largest forced-birther organization in the world. It attracts the most attention because of this.

Anonymous wrote:There are many religions that allow for abortion and actually encourage it for medical reasons.
Those just don't happen to be white Christian religions so I guess they don't count as religions here

These will be the first individuals filing lawsuits against the state laws restricting abortion and contraception access.

There are many religions that allow for abortion and actually encourage it for medical reasons.
Those just don't happen to be white Christian religions so I guess they don't count as religions here

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A) not all Christians are staunchly pro forced birth.
B) even your Christian Bible has an abortion guide for infidelity.
C) the Bible says a lot of stuff that shouldn’t be taken literally, so let’s not use the Bible as a reference for sex crimes (hint: if a woman is raped near people and doesn’t cry out loudly enough to get their attention, she should be put to death-you want that book to be your legal guide?)
D) if you haven’t heard any other takes on abortion aside from your pro forced birth friends, maybe you should broaden your friend group to include people of other religions. They discuss these topics too, and pretty much only some Catholics and evangelicals are pro forced birth.
E) 2/3 of the people in our country don’t want to revoke the right to abortions.
F) are you giving more weight to religious people’s opinions for some reason? What about agnostics and atheists?
G) why does it matter what any religion says about abortion when it comes to constitutional rights? If they feel it’s a sin, they can choose not to have abortions. Just like if they feel adultery is a sin, they can choose not to sleep around.

This. We are supposed to have separation of church and state, and freedom of religion. The whole thing is nuts.

Doesn’t all of this pro-life crap impose on my own “freedom of religion”?

Anonymous wrote:A) not all Christians are staunchly pro forced birth.
B) even your Christian Bible has an abortion guide for infidelity.
C) the Bible says a lot of stuff that shouldn’t be taken literally, so let’s not use the Bible as a reference for sex crimes (hint: if a woman is raped near people and doesn’t cry out loudly enough to get their attention, she should be put to death-you want that book to be your legal guide?)
D) if you haven’t heard any other takes on abortion aside from your pro forced birth friends, maybe you should broaden your friend group to include people of other religions. They discuss these topics too, and pretty much only some Catholics and evangelicals are pro forced birth.
E) 2/3 of the people in our country don’t want to revoke the right to abortions.
F) are you giving more weight to religious people’s opinions for some reason? What about agnostics and atheists?
G) why does it matter what any religion says about abortion when it comes to constitutional rights? If they feel it’s a sin, they can choose not to have abortions. Just like if they feel adultery is a sin, they can choose not to sleep around.

This. We are supposed to have separation of church and state, and freedom of religion. The whole thing is nuts.

The Evangelicals and certain Catholics have gone off the rails where abortion is concerned. It is truly crazy.

A) not all Christians are staunchly pro forced birth.
B) even your Christian Bible has an abortion guide for infidelity.
C) the Bible says a lot of stuff that shouldn’t be taken literally, so let’s not use the Bible as a reference for sex crimes (hint: if a woman is raped near people and doesn’t cry out loudly enough to get their attention, she should be put to death-you want that book to be your legal guide?)
D) if you haven’t heard any other takes on abortion aside from your pro forced birth friends, maybe you should broaden your friend group to include people of other religions. They discuss these topics too, and pretty much only some Catholics and evangelicals are pro forced birth.
E) 2/3 of the people in our country don’t want to revoke the right to abortions.
F) are you giving more weight to religious people’s opinions for some reason? What about agnostics and atheists?
G) why does it matter what any religion says about abortion when it comes to constitutional rights? If they feel it’s a sin, they can choose not to have abortions. Just like if they feel adultery is a sin, they can choose not to sleep around.

Anonymous wrote:I see protests outside Catholic Churches and I understand the Christian position is staunchly pro-life. But how come we never hear about any other religions’ stance on abortion? Is it not as prominent a topic in other religions? Do other religions have differing positions, and perhaps less political skin in the game? For example, I read that in some sects of Judaism the fetus is considered a part of the mother, and a “person” begins a birth (paraphrasing). And potentially, does the scotus overturn of RvW (and the GOP running with it) run some non-Christian religious voters the wrong way? I guess another way to put it is….is the pro-life Christian vote that big that it’s worth throwing all eggs in that basket (McConnell I’m lookin at you…)?

Jewish tradition cherishes the sanctity of life, including the potential of life during pregnancy, but does not believe that personhood and human rights begin with conception, but rather with birth as indicated by Exodus 21:22-23. Jewish teachings in the Torah and Talmud support the (Jewish legal) necessity of access to abortion. Judaism has a very nuanced view of abortion and is much more flexible and lenient in it's interpretations of when an abortion is not just allowed but an actual obligation. If a mothers life is endangered physically or emotionally by a pregnancy's her life takes precedence over that of a fetus. Having access to safe and legal abortion is a religious issue and one that should be decided by a women, her doctor and religious advisor when requested, not by the government. Most Jews see any restrictions on abortion as an infringement of their religious rights to observe and have the freedom to practice their religion which is different then Evangelical Christianity.

Christians’ dismissal of other religions as “crazy” is pure projection.

All Christians demonitions do not have the same excessive focus on abortion as the Catholicism and Southern Baptists do. Do not place mainstream Protestant Churches in the same catergory as those two.

I see protests outside Catholic Churches and I understand the Christian position is staunchly pro-life. But how come we never hear about any other religions’ stance on abortion? Is it not as prominent a topic in other religions? Do other religions have differing positions, and perhaps less political skin in the game? For example, I read that in some sects of Judaism the fetus is considered a part of the mother, and a “person” begins a birth (paraphrasing). And potentially, does the scotus overturn of RvW (and the GOP running with it) run some non-Christian religious voters the wrong way? I guess another way to put it is….is the pro-life Christian vote that big that it’s worth throwing all eggs in that basket (McConnell I’m lookin at you…)?