Anonymous wrote:The vaccine Is so bad it's actually more effective to just get covid and have natural immunity

The vaccine Is so bad it's actually more effective to just get covid and have natural immunity

They have and the data didn't look great.

I reject the idea this is being “mishandled”. Pfizer and Moderna both have strong incentives to get these vaccines approved. The FDA has always had these standards for pediatric vaccines — you have to prove that the benefits outweighs the risks. It’s not unreasonable.

The truth is that it is hard to argue in favor of vaccines for this age group because their risk from Covid is so low. The reason Pfizer/Moderna went with such low doses in the trials is that higher doses will result in many kids spiking fevers as a side effect, and fevers in young kids can be very dangerous. Even if only a small percent of those fevers were dangerous, a higher dose vaccine could potentially pose more risk than Covid itself.

Thus the low dose trials, and the low efficacy. Compounded by the fact that the data in the trials is likely noisy because even in the control group, Covid rates are so low, and asymptomatic or extremely mild Covid is much more common than more serious cases. This makes it incredibly hard to show that vaccinated kids experience a benefit. Because they might not!

It’s not done grand conspiracy to keep you from vaccinating your child. It’s not incompetency. It is the normal and appropriate approach to approval of a vaccine for very young children.

Your kids are not at high risk of Covid. You don’t want to give your extremely low risk kid an in effective vaccine, nor do you want to give them a dose that could harm them.

Pfizer CEO said yesterday on a podcast that he was hopeful for June. Not that you can believe anything they say anymore.

Welp, it’s officially the second half if April now so guess Pfizer isn’t sharing data in “early April” as they previously said. And so much for Moderna “within a few weeks”. It’ll be four weeks on Wednesday. I get that things change, but the lack of any kind of update is so unacceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:The Moderna efficacy was pretty bad. I don’t see how the FDA can grant an EUA for a vaccine that is less than 50% effective. I don’t think you should pin your hopes on this.

In that case the health officials should come out firmly against quarantines and masking for kids under 5. Daycares/preschols should return to pre-covid illness policies. If it doesn't make sense to vaccinate kids until they turn 5 so be it! But I cannot take another 2 years of the status quo until my DC turns 5.

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The daycare quarantines are really doing us in. My 2yo has been quarantined 6 times in the past 18 months. That’s 12 total weeks of lost work time for us, when she’s never even gotten sick from the exposures…plus additional time when she actually caught RSV last summer.
Oh, and that RSV illness WAS due to an outbreak at her daycare…no quarantine for that, though, and it spread like wildfire in the infant and toddler classes.

Anonymous wrote:The moderna efficacy did not look great. But comparable to adult vax against omicron. I’ll take 38 percent. It’s more than 0.

Mind you that’s 38% after a few weeks, might be pretty close to zero after a few months.

I seriously think it may never happen. The under-5 population very unlikely to experience severe disease, by orders of magnitude. The efficacy against Omicron and whatever comes next is going to be too low to justify the blanket vaccination of under-5s. Basically, unless a kid has some kind of co-morbidity, I think this is going to be a 5-and-up vaccine.

The moderna efficacy did not look great. But comparable to adult vax against omicron. I’ll take 38 percent. It’s more than 0.

Anonymous wrote:The Moderna efficacy was pretty bad. I don’t see how the FDA can grant an EUA for a vaccine that is less than 50% effective. I don’t think you should pin your hopes on this.

In that case the health officials should come out firmly against quarantines and masking for kids under 5. Daycares/preschols should return to pre-covid illness policies. If it doesn't make sense to vaccinate kids until they turn 5 so be it! But I cannot take another 2 years of the status quo until my DC turns 5.

The Moderna efficacy was pretty bad. I don’t see how the FDA can grant an EUA for a vaccine that is less than 50% effective. I don’t think you should pin your hopes on this.

The way this has been handled has been such a disaster.

I have heard May, possibly, but I will believe it when my kid actually has a shot in his arm. We have been told that shots are just 6-8 weeks away since last summer.

Hence our frustration. We have no idea of a timeline? Three weeks from now? Christmas? I’m so over not having any information.

Is anyone here in the know? Pfizer recently said April. Moderna had said in the next few weeks. Does anyone who works in this field have any idea of a more specific timeline?