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Anonymous wrote:Where are scientists getting educated to produce this research? Are they all educated at chinese universities? Are they educated at universities outside china? Where and how many?

Good question. I'd guess the US and UK, mostly.

A lot of them are definitely attending universities in the US but only the brightest (and some richest) get sent. China's brightest are getting the best the US can offer in terms of education while here our brightest students can be looked over because they do not fit in some equity scheme (URM, First Gen, Legacy..)

you just can't let this go. If China's brightest are coming here to study, it's not because they fit into some equity scheme, so it would seem that your boogeyman equity scheme doesn't exist.

China has a lot of talented scientists, as well as four times the population of the US, so it's not surprising the gap would close.

But given the nationalist propaganda games that the CCP and Xi Jinping engage in, one might reasonably wonder (the Nikkei article doesn't make clear) if many of these citations of Chinese research are in Chinese publications that got the message from Beijing that it's a national priority to boost China's standing in the "scientific citations" ranking.

Remember, if you simply went by numerical measures, you'd think that China's ineffective COVID vaccines are among the most popular in the world - because the Chinese Government has kept competing Western vaccines out of its market.

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Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

They also steal and lie to obtain access to materials completed by US researchers.

Okay just keep on believing this if it makes you feel better

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are scientists getting educated to produce this research? Are they all educated at chinese universities? Are they educated at universities outside china? Where and how many?

Good question. I'd guess the US and UK, mostly.

A lot of them are definitely attending universities in the US but only the brightest (and some richest) get sent. China's brightest are getting the best the US can offer in terms of education while here our brightest students can be looked over because they do not fit in some equity scheme (URM, First Gen, Legacy..)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

They also steal and lie to obtain access to materials completed by US researchers.

Yep. As bad as academia can be in the US, it’s much more unethical in China.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

They also steal and lie to obtain access to materials completed by US researchers.

Anonymous wrote:Where are scientists getting educated to produce this research? Are they all educated at chinese universities? Are they educated at universities outside china? Where and how many?

Good question. I'd guess the US and UK, mostly.

Where are scientists getting educated to produce this research? Are they all educated at chinese universities? Are they educated at universities outside china? Where and how many?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

So when will India (population 1380 million) pass us?

Citation indices are no longer as telling as you think. Now that it's a metric that people are assessed on and can easily track, there are a million ways to game it.

Of course, you can look at it another way. Most scientific papers are published at a level beyond undergraduate education. As is often said on this very site, you can go to any school (selective university, state school, LAC), do well and go on to graduate programs. So the number of scientific papers is not the result of undergraduate admissions standards and practices.

Second, you don't know if the number of scientific papers published in China would actually go UP if they adopted US admissions practices. One could argue that US practices broaden the pool of students who are exposed to science and may later decide to pursue a career in the sciences. Maybe China is unnecessarily limiting itself by not considering these applicants and inviting them to study. Just as the quantity and quality of scientific research was improved when the pool was expanded to include women.

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Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

+1

Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.