Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 16:35     Subject: Re:Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:Tests like these could be viewed as democratizing in the sense that in theory, everyone had the same opportunity to do well on them But that's laughable, in practice. Wealthy parents have access to expensive test prep, "bout camps," and all that stuff. Until there's equal access to those same process, inequality will prevail. Sure, colleges de facto set aside seats for qualified URMs, but that doesn't solve the problem.


There’s free prep. Khan Academy for SAT is all a kid would need.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 16:19     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This issue is much more nuanced than simply low expectations for URMs. Imagine the great majority of Black and Hispanic kids in Fairfax County had similar (very high) socio-economic status equivalent to the average wealth of Langley, McLean, Chantilly families who are sending their kids to TJ. In that case, yes, giving URMs bonus points to get into TJ would be ridiculous.

However, the reality is that the majority of URMs are living in the lower-middle class or below poverty level. Why do you think all the "good" school districts have very few Hispanic and Black kids? Why do all the "bad" schools have so many Hispanic and Black kids? It always goes back to the inability to afford expensive housing, which leads to concentrated pockets of poverty in specific schools, which leads to bad outcomes in schools, which leads to what we have now.


Then why not tie favoritism to socio-economic class and not race?


They won't because many Asians are from middle or lower middle class and they do not want to give any preference to lower or lower middle class Asian students. Only to black or Hispanic students. Hypocrites.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 16:16     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:This issue is much more nuanced than simply low expectations for URMs. Imagine the great majority of Black and Hispanic kids in Fairfax County had similar (very high) socio-economic status equivalent to the average wealth of Langley, McLean, Chantilly families who are sending their kids to TJ. In that case, yes, giving URMs bonus points to get into TJ would be ridiculous.

However, the reality is that the majority of URMs are living in the lower-middle class or below poverty level. Why do you think all the "good" school districts have very few Hispanic and Black kids? Why do all the "bad" schools have so many Hispanic and Black kids? It always goes back to the inability to afford expensive housing, which leads to concentrated pockets of poverty in specific schools, which leads to bad outcomes in schools, which leads to what we have now.


Then why not tie favoritism to socio-economic class and not race?
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 16:13     Subject: Re:Race and TJ admissions
Tests like these could be viewed as democratizing in the sense that in theory, everyone had the same opportunity to do well on them But that's laughable, in practice. Wealthy parents have access to expensive test prep, "bout camps," and all that stuff. Until there's equal access to those same process, inequality will prevail. Sure, colleges de facto set aside seats for qualified URMs, but that doesn't solve the problem.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 16:07     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Why do you think all the "good" school districts have very few Hispanic and Black kids? Why do all the "bad" schools have so many Hispanic and Black kids? It always goes back to the inability to afford expensive housing, which leads to concentrated pockets of poverty in specific schools, which leads to bad outcomes in schools, which leads to what we have now.


Parents are spending money to be in the good school districts, making housing there more expensive.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 16:02     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:This issue is much more nuanced than simply low expectations for URMs. Imagine the great majority of Black and Hispanic kids in Fairfax County had similar (very high) socio-economic status equivalent to the average wealth of Langley, McLean, Chantilly families who are sending their kids to TJ. In that case, yes, giving URMs bonus points to get into TJ would be ridiculous.

However, the reality is that the majority of URMs are living in the lower-middle class or below poverty level. Why do you think all the "good" school districts have very few Hispanic and Black kids? Why do all the "bad" schools have so many Hispanic and Black kids? It always goes back to the inability to afford expensive housing, which leads to concentrated pockets of poverty in specific schools, which leads to bad outcomes in schools, which leads to what we have now.


The problem is most Asian TJ Students are middle class not upper middle or upper in SES. Stop spreading misinformation. You must be a Russian Asset.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 16:00     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No pay wall posts.


It’s $4/month! Pay a little for quality journalism instead of tabloidy online only sites.


I am boycotting all MSM that are mostly fake new propaganda arm of the establishment.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 15:51     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
This issue is much more nuanced than simply low expectations for URMs. Imagine the great majority of Black and Hispanic kids in Fairfax County had similar (very high) socio-economic status equivalent to the average wealth of Langley, McLean, Chantilly families who are sending their kids to TJ. In that case, yes, giving URMs bonus points to get into TJ would be ridiculous.

However, the reality is that the majority of URMs are living in the lower-middle class or below poverty level. Why do you think all the "good" school districts have very few Hispanic and Black kids? Why do all the "bad" schools have so many Hispanic and Black kids? It always goes back to the inability to afford expensive housing, which leads to concentrated pockets of poverty in specific schools, which leads to bad outcomes in schools, which leads to what we have now.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 15:50     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI


That's the problem when people screaming for these changes are mostly not from the Black and Latino communities. It is others who don't have the lived experience and are not part of these communities claiming to represent and advocate for them.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 15:23     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:No pay wall posts.


It’s $4/month! Pay a little for quality journalism instead of tabloidy online only sites.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 15:20     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI


Not so soft.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 12:04     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
No pay wall posts.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2022 11:20     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI


Would love to read it but it's behind a pay wall.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2022 19:39     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Anonymous wrote:Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI


Racist policies aren't just racist towards those who are directly negatively impacts but also those who seem to benefit in the short tetm. In the long run, there are no winners, society is worse off as a whole.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2022 18:37     Subject: Race and TJ admissions
Did we get it all wrong? New TJ admissions process is an act of racism against Black and Latino students (not against Asians). How so? Read this excellent article:
Making the SAT and ACT Optional Is the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations https://nyti.ms/3IlxRwI