Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 18:29     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
Get over it. If admissions were completely blind, elite schools would be full of essentially on white and asians. They are the higher pure stats. Don’t believe me? Go look at the Harvard law suit. It’s not terribly supportive of other races/ethnicities.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 18:19     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
I think the unqualified kids are more development cases than legacy. The legacy kids I’ve seen admitted were all very qualified. Buy a library, though, and your knucklehead is admitted.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 18:01     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
Anonymous wrote:Sure, legacy admissions were originally meant to keep out Jews and Blacks. Catholics are a different story. But that was then. This is now. I’m Jewish and my family has attended Columbia, Johns Hopkins and Penn for many generations. Now many Blacks have attended top notch schools for generations. Now that they have, to suddenly change rules that would favor their children is racism all over again

? How does getting rid of legacy admit "change the rule to favor "their" children" all over again? Who's "their children"?
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 17:54     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I did not realize that legacy admissions started out as a way to exclude Jews and Catholics from elite universities, much like holistic admissions did.

At least today, holistic admissions often help URM. But, what does legacy admissions do for URM or the kid with no hooks from a middle class family?

I'm disgusted with how so-called elite universities espouse "diversity" and holistic approach to have diverse/broad spectrum of views in the student body, but a very large % of admits are from legacy, who are typically wealthy and white. This approach is basically "keeping the status quo".. "good ol' boys network".. "keeping it in the family".

It's disturbing that these elite institutions have retained a policy that was steeped in bigotry.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2021/12/15/groups-urge-colleges-abandon-legacy-admissions

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/17/harvard-university-students-smart-iq

IMO, the only reason why groups like the NAACP aren't fighting it is because URM do get a leg up. But imagine if those univ didn't give preference for URM.

If you look at the stats, it's not the URM kids who's taking spots from the MC/UMC white kid. It's the legacy admit kids who wouldn't have gotten in with the scores they have without that legacy hook.

None of this was on my radar before, but as my oldest is hitting senior year, we are looking at colleges and the whole admissions process a lot more, and what I'm finding is that the system built for and by rich white people still persists in institutions that claim they want diversity. It's just all smoke and mirrors.

Very disturbing.


Yes, everything is racist...If your kid doesn't get into Harvard please tell them it is because of rich white people. There are a lot of great schools out there that would be happy to have your child attend, maybe focus on those and stop complaining about racism and your kid not getting into schools they have yet to apply too.


Actually, whites are the only group underrepresented at Harvard.

Not rich white. That's where the difference is. Legacy admits, who are predominantely rich white, are over represented. The unhooked, not rich white kid is hurt by legacy admits, as much as Asian American students are.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 17:52     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
Anonymous wrote: Most schools will only let in legacies who are well-qualified. It’s not like they are letting in D student slackers (Jared excepting) So, maybe Harvard accepts a legacy with a 1480 and a 4.2 rather than a 1560 and 4.6? Is that really that big of a difference? The 1560 got 8 more questions correct, big whoop.
My overall point is that it’s all pretty subjective, even test scores and grades.

given that the legacy admit probably wouldn't have gotten in without legacy, and the number of legacy admits is fairly large, yes, it is a big difference.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 17:52     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
Anonymous wrote: Most schools will only let in legacies who are well-qualified. It’s not like they are letting in D student slackers (Jared excepting) So, maybe Harvard accepts a legacy with a 1480 and a 4.2 rather than a 1560 and 4.6? Is that really that big of a difference? The 1560 got 8 more questions correct, big whoop.
My overall point is that it’s all pretty subjective, even test scores and grades.


Yes, they are, it's just most are liberals and you never hear about them. Stop pretending that a douchebag like Jared (He was a Democrat BTW) is an outlier. This is why the Ivy League worship is so comical, it's a frigging business. You can get a great education anywhere with hard work and engagement.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 17:51     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I did not realize that legacy admissions started out as a way to exclude Jews and Catholics from elite universities, much like holistic admissions did.

At least today, holistic admissions often help URM. But, what does legacy admissions do for URM or the kid with no hooks from a middle class family?

I'm disgusted with how so-called elite universities espouse "diversity" and holistic approach to have diverse/broad spectrum of views in the student body, but a very large % of admits are from legacy, who are typically wealthy and white. This approach is basically "keeping the status quo".. "good ol' boys network".. "keeping it in the family".

It's disturbing that these elite institutions have retained a policy that was steeped in bigotry.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2021/12/15/groups-urge-colleges-abandon-legacy-admissions

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/17/harvard-university-students-smart-iq

IMO, the only reason why groups like the NAACP aren't fighting it is because URM do get a leg up. But imagine if those univ didn't give preference for URM.

If you look at the stats, it's not the URM kids who's taking spots from the MC/UMC white kid. It's the legacy admit kids who wouldn't have gotten in with the scores they have without that legacy hook.

None of this was on my radar before, but as my oldest is hitting senior year, we are looking at colleges and the whole admissions process a lot more, and what I'm finding is that the system built for and by rich white people still persists in institutions that claim they want diversity. It's just all smoke and mirrors.

Very disturbing.


Yes, everything is racist...If your kid doesn't get into Harvard please tell them it is because of rich white people. There are a lot of great schools out there that would be happy to have your child attend, maybe focus on those and stop complaining about racism and your kid not getting into schools they have yet to apply too.


Actually, whites are the only group underrepresented at Harvard.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 17:49     Subject: Re:Legacy Admit is racist
Legacy and URM affirmative action both should be abolished.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 17:40     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
Most schools will only let in legacies who are well-qualified. It’s not like they are letting in D student slackers (Jared excepting) So, maybe Harvard accepts a legacy with a 1480 and a 4.2 rather than a 1560 and 4.6? Is that really that big of a difference? The 1560 got 8 more questions correct, big whoop.
My overall point is that it’s all pretty subjective, even test scores and grades.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 17:15     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
Sure, legacy admissions were originally meant to keep out Jews and Blacks. Catholics are a different story. But that was then. This is now. I’m Jewish and my family has attended Columbia, Johns Hopkins and Penn for many generations. Now many Blacks have attended top notch schools for generations. Now that they have, to suddenly change rules that would favor their children is racism all over again
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 17:04     Subject: Re:Legacy Admit is racist
Anonymous wrote:Many legacies today are Jewish. And increasingly non white too. It's just catching up with demographic changes. You can beat it as much as you want but if you want to allow the elite colleges to continue having affirmative action and discriminate against Asians, you need to let them have their legacy programs too. Because it's their prerogative.

Vast majority of legacies are still very much white.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 17:02     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
Anonymous wrote:
Yes, everything is racist...If your kid doesn't get into Harvard please tell them it is because of rich white people. There are a lot of great schools out there that would be happy to have your child attend, maybe focus on those and stop complaining about racism and your kid not getting into schools they have yet to apply too.

Actually, I'm one of those who think not everything is racist, and DC has no desire to go to Harvard. BUT, I was reading about legacies and discovered how and why it started.

Ironic that a policy that was used to prevent Jews from getting in is now used by some Jews who are legacies to keep it all in the family.

Just goes to show, that people in power want to keep that power, irrespective of skin color or creed. Liberals like to claim that white people are upset and scared that their demographic is shrinking, hence the rise of Trump, but seems like some of these liberals also are fine with keeping their elite institutions mostly for themselves.

My kid might apply to a univ in the UK, land of the House of Lords and where monarchy still exists, but they don't care about legacies.

How's that for irony.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 16:55     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
Anonymous wrote:I did not realize that legacy admissions started out as a way to exclude Jews and Catholics from elite universities, much like holistic admissions did.

At least today, holistic admissions often help URM. But, what does legacy admissions do for URM or the kid with no hooks from a middle class family?

I'm disgusted with how so-called elite universities espouse "diversity" and holistic approach to have diverse/broad spectrum of views in the student body, but a very large % of admits are from legacy, who are typically wealthy and white. This approach is basically "keeping the status quo".. "good ol' boys network".. "keeping it in the family".

It's disturbing that these elite institutions have retained a policy that was steeped in bigotry.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2021/12/15/groups-urge-colleges-abandon-legacy-admissions

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/17/harvard-university-students-smart-iq

IMO, the only reason why groups like the NAACP aren't fighting it is because URM do get a leg up. But imagine if those univ didn't give preference for URM.

If you look at the stats, it's not the URM kids who's taking spots from the MC/UMC white kid. It's the legacy admit kids who wouldn't have gotten in with the scores they have without that legacy hook.

None of this was on my radar before, but as my oldest is hitting senior year, we are looking at colleges and the whole admissions process a lot more, and what I'm finding is that the system built for and by rich white people still persists in institutions that claim they want diversity. It's just all smoke and mirrors.

Very disturbing.


Yes, everything is racist...If your kid doesn't get into Harvard please tell them it is because of rich white people. There are a lot of great schools out there that would be happy to have your child attend, maybe focus on those and stop complaining about racism and your kid not getting into schools they have yet to apply too.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 16:48     Subject: Re:Legacy Admit is racist
Many legacies today are Jewish. And increasingly non white too. It's just catching up with demographic changes. You can beat it as much as you want but if you want to allow the elite colleges to continue having affirmative action and discriminate against Asians, you need to let them have their legacy programs too. Because it's their prerogative.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2022 16:43     Subject: Legacy Admit is racist
I did not realize that legacy admissions started out as a way to exclude Jews and Catholics from elite universities, much like holistic admissions did.

At least today, holistic admissions often help URM. But, what does legacy admissions do for URM or the kid with no hooks from a middle class family?

I'm disgusted with how so-called elite universities espouse "diversity" and holistic approach to have diverse/broad spectrum of views in the student body, but a very large % of admits are from legacy, who are typically wealthy and white. This approach is basically "keeping the status quo".. "good ol' boys network".. "keeping it in the family".

It's disturbing that these elite institutions have retained a policy that was steeped in bigotry.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2021/12/15/groups-urge-colleges-abandon-legacy-admissions

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/17/harvard-university-students-smart-iq

IMO, the only reason why groups like the NAACP aren't fighting it is because URM do get a leg up. But imagine if those univ didn't give preference for URM.

If you look at the stats, it's not the URM kids who's taking spots from the MC/UMC white kid. It's the legacy admit kids who wouldn't have gotten in with the scores they have without that legacy hook.

None of this was on my radar before, but as my oldest is hitting senior year, we are looking at colleges and the whole admissions process a lot more, and what I'm finding is that the system built for and by rich white people still persists in institutions that claim they want diversity. It's just all smoke and mirrors.

Very disturbing.