I think there is a significant segment of our society that was sold on the "value" of a college education over the past 20 years as enrollment rose by 30%. The shock of the past two years awoke a lot of young people to the costs and debt burden of college while revealing a working world that doesn't financially justify the expense.

None of that applies to the typical DCUM household but I see it in the families of my coworkers who are in the $30k-$70k income demographic.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article. Particularly interested in what people who think it is "harder to get admitted now" think of it.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072529477/more-than-1-million-fewer-students-are-in-college-the-lowest-enrollment-numbers-

People are realizing that shitty colleges and dumb majors are worthless especially if you have to accumulate student loan debt.
A lot of colleges should go out of business.

Not really, since most of the decline is at the cheapest community college. The data don't fit your narrative.

Love how people don't read the story and then post. Direct from the story:

The nation's community colleges are continuing to feel the bulk of the decline, with a 13% enrollment drop over the course of the pandemic. But the fall 2021 numbers show that bachelor's degree-seeking students at four-year colleges are making up about half of the shrinkage in undergraduate students, a big shift from the fall of 2020, when the vast majority of the declines were among associate degree seekers.

Yes, but the community college decline still made up the greatest decline overall by far.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article. Particularly interested in what people who think it is "harder to get admitted now" think of it.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072529477/more-than-1-million-fewer-students-are-in-college-the-lowest-enrollment-numbers-

People are realizing that shitty colleges and dumb majors are worthless especially if you have to accumulate student loan debt.
A lot of colleges should go out of business.

Not really, since most of the decline is at the cheapest community college. The data don't fit your narrative.

Love how people don't read the story and then post. Direct from the story:

The nation's community colleges are continuing to feel the bulk of the decline, with a 13% enrollment drop over the course of the pandemic. But the fall 2021 numbers show that bachelor's degree-seeking students at four-year colleges are making up about half of the shrinkage in undergraduate students, a big shift from the fall of 2020, when the vast majority of the declines were among associate degree seekers.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article. Particularly interested in what people who think it is "harder to get admitted now" think of it.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072529477/more-than-1-million-fewer-students-are-in-college-the-lowest-enrollment-numbers-

People are realizing that shitty colleges and dumb majors are worthless especially if you have to accumulate student loan debt.
A lot of colleges should go out of business.

Not really, since most of the decline is at the cheapest community college. The data don't fit your narrative.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article. Particularly interested in what people who think it is "harder to get admitted now" think of it.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072529477/more-than-1-million-fewer-students-are-in-college-the-lowest-enrollment-numbers-

The middle tier is being hollowed out just like in other aspects of life.

Top schools harder to get into than ever.

Ttt’s provide less value than ever so enrollment is down

go to college campuses where they are promptly lectured for being part of the great evil white supremacy bogeyman.

And the Oscar goes to ...

I'm sure COVID had something to do with it. Why spend money on distant learning and lack of community interfaces with fellow students and faculty.

A very high percentage (most?) college kids were always commuter kids at local schools and this demographic was always the first to respond to societal changes. I'm sure many thought they might as well wait till COVID ended and normalcy returned.

College is also not valued the same way it was in the past. Even though it's become more of a requirement and necessity, the degree itself has become devalued. And the culture has changed. It's not going to be easy to convince primarily working to lower middle class kids to go to college campuses where they are promptly lectured for being part of the great evil white supremacy bogeyman. And I'm sure plenty of rising college-age kids saw the cohorts just older than them get degrees and then flounder. It's not the ticket to a successful life the way it was in the past. People no longer respect college degrees or see it as inherently worthwhile. It can be both astute and shortsighted. And it's reflective of the growing class divides in American society.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet my kid is getting EA/ED rejections left and right.

Most of the decline is at two-year colleges. You'd know this if you read the article instead of just reacted.

DP here. If someone wanted to be as insulting as you were in return, they would point out that basic math and the rules of probability do not care about your assessment, and that your use of the word "most" ironically invalidates the point you were trying to make.

Be nice next time.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article. Particularly interested in what people who think it is "harder to get admitted now" think of it.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072529477/more-than-1-million-fewer-students-are-in-college-the-lowest-enrollment-numbers-

People are realizing that shitty colleges and dumb majors are worthless especially if you have to accumulate student loan debt.
A lot of colleges should go out of business.

Anonymous wrote:Most of the decline is in 2 year colleges--and many less selective colleges are struggling to keep enrollment. The competition is getting tougher at the more competitive schools.

This.

The costs are so high now that in order to justify it, you have to go to one of the more selection/name schools. Just getting a 2 or 4 year degree at a small/regional school simply isn't worth the expense.

Most of the decline is in 2 year colleges--and many less selective colleges are struggling to keep enrollment. The competition is getting tougher at the more competitive schools.

It's community colleges and some state schools, including Arizona, seeing the rapid declines.

Anonymous wrote:And yet my kid is getting EA/ED rejections left and right.

Most of the decline is at two-year colleges. You'd know this if you read the article instead of just reacted.

And yet my kid is getting EA/ED rejections left and right.

Interesting article. Particularly interested in what people who think it is "harder to get admitted now" think of it.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072529477/more-than-1-million-fewer-students-are-in-college-the-lowest-enrollment-numbers-