Anonymous
Post 01/07/2022 12:59     Subject: Honest if dumb question about Elrich—
Anonymous wrote:

Different poster, but thank you for this perspective. Neither Riemer nor Elrich is a great public speaker. It's one of Riemer's biggest weaknesses, in my opinion. So he may actually know more than he can articulate.

But this post makes sense and fits with what I know about the two candidates. Blair is an unknown. Still trying to figure him out.


Based on Riemer's policies, he definitely does not know more than he can articulate. Riemer is probably a better speaker than he is a thinker, and I think your characterization of his speaking talents is about right.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2022 12:41     Subject: Honest if dumb question about Elrich—
^A leader who’s biggest weakness is that they cannot effectively communicate their ideas? Isn’t that like the number one qualification for leadership? How are we supposed to know how he’s really going to govern? A lot of red flags where Riemer is concerned.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2022 12:30     Subject: Honest if dumb question about Elrich—
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this like some really sleazy post from the Riemer campaign?

I don’t follow county politics as closely as I should but I follow closely enough to know that both “options” are false.

While I will probably vote for Blair, it’s incredible how apparently sleazy people are. You’re not that clever friend.


np - i don't follow county politics either but your response seem bit harsh. why do you assume the worst? stressful way to live

Is it true that you would rather eat a poopsicle over a sh*t sandwich. I have heard people say that you have liked both but I don’t know enough to know which is true. TIA!

See how it works? It’s pretty transparent and the OP ain’t that clever.


I am OP and I don’t even understand what you are saying. I am not asking if Elrich is a better choice than someone else (although I think the pox on all their houses approach is stupid). I am literally just asking if a voter thought there was not enough affordable housing in MoCo how would they prioritize the candidates or if a voter thought there was too much emphasis on increasing density how would that lead them to prioritize candidates.

I recognize it might have sounded like a backhanded compliment for Elrich which is why I said it was a honest question but I get confused because it seems he gets attacked from both sides on this.


TBH, both of them have flaws.

Riemer has been on the council for 12 years, and he’s driven the county’s land use and housing policies during this time. He’s been on the winning side of every housing-related bill as far as I can recall. What does he have to show for that? He says we have a housing crisis now because housing supply has grown at the lowest rate ever. That’s doesn’t say much for the effectiveness of his approach.

Elrich, surprisingly, displayed a much better understanding of housing markets than Riemer did during the housing forum. Elrich actually seems to understand the housing markets and the production drivers, while Riemer definitely does not. But Elrich hasn’t been able to leverage his good understanding to effective policy. You see that a lot with him. He’s done some good work at the retail level, but the bottom line is that builders aren’t building as much as we need them to. Builders actually identify the same root causes of slow housing production as Elrich when they’re talking in trade press, but when they lobby the county, it’s usually for subsidies, which Riemer happily hands over. Developers then pocket the subsidies and build what they would have built without the subsidies.

I know you didn’t ask about him, but Blair seems to understand the housing market at least as well as Elrich. Blair has a track record of delivering in the private sector, but who knows whether he can translate that to government.


Different poster, but thank you for this perspective. Neither Riemer nor Elrich is a great public speaker. It's one of Riemer's biggest weaknesses, in my opinion. So he may actually know more than he can articulate.

But this post makes sense and fits with what I know about the two candidates. Blair is an unknown. Still trying to figure him out.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2022 17:03     Subject: Honest if dumb question about Elrich—
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this like some really sleazy post from the Riemer campaign?

I don’t follow county politics as closely as I should but I follow closely enough to know that both “options” are false.

While I will probably vote for Blair, it’s incredible how apparently sleazy people are. You’re not that clever friend.


np - i don't follow county politics either but your response seem bit harsh. why do you assume the worst? stressful way to live

Is it true that you would rather eat a poopsicle over a sh*t sandwich. I have heard people say that you have liked both but I don’t know enough to know which is true. TIA!

See how it works? It’s pretty transparent and the OP ain’t that clever.


I am OP and I don’t even understand what you are saying. I am not asking if Elrich is a better choice than someone else (although I think the pox on all their houses approach is stupid). I am literally just asking if a voter thought there was not enough affordable housing in MoCo how would they prioritize the candidates or if a voter thought there was too much emphasis on increasing density how would that lead them to prioritize candidates.

I recognize it might have sounded like a backhanded compliment for Elrich which is why I said it was a honest question but I get confused because it seems he gets attacked from both sides on this.


TBH, both of them have flaws.

Riemer has been on the council for 12 years, and he’s driven the county’s land use and housing policies during this time. He’s been on the winning side of every housing-related bill as far as I can recall. What does he have to show for that? He says we have a housing crisis now because housing supply has grown at the lowest rate ever. That’s doesn’t say much for the effectiveness of his approach.

Elrich, surprisingly, displayed a much better understanding of housing markets than Riemer did during the housing forum. Elrich actually seems to understand the housing markets and the production drivers, while Riemer definitely does not. But Elrich hasn’t been able to leverage his good understanding to effective policy. You see that a lot with him. He’s done some good work at the retail level, but the bottom line is that builders aren’t building as much as we need them to. Builders actually identify the same root causes of slow housing production as Elrich when they’re talking in trade press, but when they lobby the county, it’s usually for subsidies, which Riemer happily hands over. Developers then pocket the subsidies and build what they would have built without the subsidies.

I know you didn’t ask about him, but Blair seems to understand the housing market at least as well as Elrich. Blair has a track record of delivering in the private sector, but who knows whether he can translate that to government.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2022 16:15     Subject: Honest if dumb question about Elrich—
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this like some really sleazy post from the Riemer campaign?

I don’t follow county politics as closely as I should but I follow closely enough to know that both “options” are false.

While I will probably vote for Blair, it’s incredible how apparently sleazy people are. You’re not that clever friend.


np - i don't follow county politics either but your response seem bit harsh. why do you assume the worst? stressful way to live

Is it true that you would rather eat a poopsicle over a sh*t sandwich. I have heard people say that you have liked both but I don’t know enough to know which is true. TIA!

See how it works? It’s pretty transparent and the OP ain’t that clever.


I am OP and I don’t even understand what you are saying. I am not asking if Elrich is a better choice than someone else (although I think the pox on all their houses approach is stupid). I am literally just asking if a voter thought there was not enough affordable housing in MoCo how would they prioritize the candidates or if a voter thought there was too much emphasis on increasing density how would that lead them to prioritize candidates.

I recognize it might have sounded like a backhanded compliment for Elrich which is why I said it was a honest question but I get confused because it seems he gets attacked from both sides on this.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2022 14:18     Subject: Re:Honest if dumb question about Elrich—
OP is exactly right. Elrich is moderate and sensible on development.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2022 13:42     Subject: Honest if dumb question about Elrich—
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this like some really sleazy post from the Riemer campaign?

I don’t follow county politics as closely as I should but I follow closely enough to know that both “options” are false.

While I will probably vote for Blair, it’s incredible how apparently sleazy people are. You’re not that clever friend.


np - i don't follow county politics either but your response seem bit harsh. why do you assume the worst? stressful way to live

Is it true that you would rather eat a poopsicle over a sh*t sandwich. I have heard people say that you have liked both but I don’t know enough to know which is true. TIA!

See how it works? It’s pretty transparent and the OP ain’t that clever.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2022 13:25     Subject: Honest if dumb question about Elrich—
Anonymous wrote:Is this like some really sleazy post from the Riemer campaign?

I don’t follow county politics as closely as I should but I follow closely enough to know that both “options” are false.

While I will probably vote for Blair, it’s incredible how apparently sleazy people are. You’re not that clever friend.


np - i don't follow county politics either but your response seem bit harsh. why do you assume the worst? stressful way to live
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2022 13:22     Subject: Honest if dumb question about Elrich—
Is this like some really sleazy post from the Riemer campaign?

I don’t follow county politics as closely as I should but I follow closely enough to know that both “options” are false.

While I will probably vote for Blair, it’s incredible how apparently sleazy people are. You’re not that clever friend.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2022 13:08     Subject: Honest if dumb question about Elrich—
It seems like a lot of time I hear people complain that Elrich is doing too much to promote new housing builds and upzoning in MoCo but then there is a whole other group of people whose major complaint seems to be he isn’t doing enough to build more housing.

Am I missing something or being overly influenced by noisy people, or is it true that Elrich is somewhere in the middle of this debate?