Anonymous
12/03/2021 23:30
Subject: Re:Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Bikers are supposed to obey the stop sign but you can’t predict what they’re going to do so if you see one in the mirror, definitely don’t turn in front of them. Bikes are like ambulances and Presidential Motorcades mixed with pedestrians. They’re really irritating but you still don’t want to accidentally hurt one.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 22:19
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, probably it's more important to learn how to prevent this from happening again than to discuss who was at fault, correct?
So, as a general rule:
1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right
The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.
If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.
100% WRONG.
Cars are not to use the bike lane as a right turn lane. Ever. Bike lanes are for bikes. Period. They are not a turn lane for cars.
Sorry repeat to fix the quote formatting
The DC reg is written as follows:
2203.3Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge or the roadway.
That would seem to imply you should be in the bike lane.
Also page 19 of this guide indicates that the driver was at fault because they didn’t get as far right as possible in the bike lane https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/d...e-Law-Pocket-Guide-Oct2012.pdf
I still think the cyclist should have stopped in OPs example.
Bike lanes are for bikes.
Cyclist here. I think the car turning right should have moved into the bike lane and the cyclist should have stopped. I hate these intersections. I've had buses and cars try to turn on top of me when we were both stopped and the stop sign together and they didn't think to check the bike lane. It's much safer for the car to be in bike line (of course check before changing lanes are you would with a car!) obviously planning to turn. The cyclist can either move to the car's left (proper side for going straight when someone is making a right) or stop further back until the car has completed their turn. Many bike lanes in my area (not NW) have dashed lines for just this reason. I am glad everyone was okay today, OP.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 22:13
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, probably it's more important to learn how to prevent this from happening again than to discuss who was at fault, correct?
So, as a general rule:
1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right
The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.
If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.
100% WRONG.
Cars are not to use the bike lane as a right turn lane. Ever. Bike lanes are for bikes. Period. They are not a turn lane for cars.
Sorry repeat to fix the quote formatting
The DC reg is written as follows:
2203.3Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge or the roadway.
That would seem to imply you should be in the bike lane.
Also page 19 of this guide indicates that the driver was at fault because they didn’t get as far right as possible in the bike lane https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/d...e-Law-Pocket-Guide-Oct2012.pdf
I still think the cyclist should have stopped in OPs example.
Bike lanes are for bikes.
And the OP was not in the bike lane. They turned right in front of the bike lane, but the biker assumed they were going straight and were blowing the stop sign. 100% biker fault.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 22:07
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, probably it's more important to learn how to prevent this from happening again than to discuss who was at fault, correct?
So, as a general rule:
1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right
The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.
If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.
100% WRONG.
Cars are not to use the bike lane as a right turn lane. Ever. Bike lanes are for bikes. Period. They are not a turn lane for cars.
Sorry repeat to fix the quote formatting
The DC reg is written as follows:
2203.3Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge or the roadway.
That would seem to imply you should be in the bike lane.
Also page 19 of this guide indicates that the driver was at fault because they didn’t get as far right as possible in the bike lane https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/d...e-Law-Pocket-Guide-Oct2012.pdf
I still think the cyclist should have stopped in OPs example.
Bike lanes are for bikes.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 21:57
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, probably it's more important to learn how to prevent this from happening again than to discuss who was at fault, correct?
So, as a general rule:
1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right
The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.
If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.
100% WRONG.
Cars are not to use the bike lane as a right turn lane. Ever. Bike lanes are for bikes. Period. They are not a turn lane for cars.
Sorry repeat to fix the quote formatting
The DC reg is written as follows:
2203.3Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge or the roadway.
That would seem to imply you should be in the bike lane.
Also page 19 of this guide indicates that the driver was at fault because they didn’t get as far right as possible in the bike lane https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/d...e-Law-Pocket-Guide-Oct2012.pdf
I still think the cyclist should have stopped in OPs example.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 21:56
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, probably it's more important to learn how to prevent this from happening again than to discuss who was at fault, correct?
So, as a general rule:
1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right
The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.
If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.
The DC reg is written as follows:
2203.3Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge or the roadway.
That would seem to imply you should be in the bike lane.
Also page 19 of this guide indicates that the driver was at fault because they didn’t get as far right as possible in the bike lane https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/publication/attachments/DC-Bike-Law-Pocket-Guide-Oct2012.pdf
I still think the cyclist should have stopped in OPs example.
100% WRONG.
Cars are not to use the bike lane as a right turn lane. Ever. Bike lanes are for bikes. Period. They are not a turn lane for cars.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 21:45
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Anonymous wrote:OP, probably it's more important to learn how to prevent this from happening again than to discuss who was at fault, correct?
So, as a general rule:
1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right
The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.
If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.
100% WRONG.
Cars are not to use the bike lane as a right turn lane. Ever. Bike lanes are for bikes. Period. They are not a turn lane for cars.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 21:44
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
The cyclist should have stopped. They never do, but he should have.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 21:42
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, probably it's more important to learn how to prevent this from happening again than to discuss who was at fault, correct?
So, as a general rule:
1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right
The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.
If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.
+1
Simply, you need to take the lane. Take the bike lane when it’s safe and turn from there.
I do not think cars are ever permitted to drive in the bike lane except to go into a driveway or parking space.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 21:40
Subject: Re:Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Anonymous wrote:You should let the biker come to a stop at the sign. They are coming up to an intersection and have no obligation to stop before reaching the sign. It’s like merging lanes, and you need the lane to be clear.
I am the OP
I’m not sure if I was clear in my explanation about when/where the man on the bike was when it happened. Maybe I didn’t do a go job of explaining it.
If you imagine pointing straight ahead through the intersection as 12 o’clock, and 3 o’clock as a completed right turn, I was at about 1:30 or so. I had been at the stop sign, stopped, waited on the car in front of me, and had then started making the turn about was not quite halfway through the turn when the man on the bicycle came up from behind me (he was going much faster than me because I was pulling into a turn from being stopped, and he was pedaling faster than me.
It’s pretty clear to me that he made no stop for the stop sign at all, otherwise there was no possibility he could’ve stopped and then accelerated again so quickly. So he must not have stopped at all and instead just tried to blow past me on the right side.
We didn’t both start out stopped at the stop sign together and begin moving forward at the same time with me turning into him. He was definitely coming up from behind me at a faster speed and definitely didn’t stop at the sign.
I’m sorry I wasn’t more clear the first time I explained it.
And are you absolutely certain that bikes do not have to stop at stop signs when other cars around? Because that seems incorrect to me. But I don’t have any law to cite it.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 20:12
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Anonymous wrote:OP, probably it's more important to learn how to prevent this from happening again than to discuss who was at fault, correct?
So, as a general rule:
1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right
The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.
If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.
+1
Simply, you need to take the lane. Take the bike lane when it’s safe and turn from there.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 20:08
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
OP, probably it's more important to learn how to prevent this from happening again than to discuss who was at fault, correct?
So, as a general rule:
1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right
The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.
If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.
So, as a general rule:
1. Turn on your turn signal
2. Check to make sure there's nobody in the bike lane
3. Merge to the right in the merge area
4. Stop at the stop sign
5. Turn right
The idea is that you're turning right from the right lane, just like you'd do if there were no bike lane.
If you're turning right from the general lane, and there's a bike lane to the right of you, that's like turning right from the left lane of a street with two lanes going the same direction.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 19:56
Subject: Re:Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
You should let the biker come to a stop at the sign. They are coming up to an intersection and have no obligation to stop before reaching the sign. It’s like merging lanes, and you need the lane to be clear.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 19:31
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
Making my popcorn now.
Anonymous
12/03/2021 19:26
Subject: Question about bikes in bike lanes and right hand turns.
I was driving on Irving st NW a few hours ago, and also had a crash involving a cyclist.
The street has a dedicated, marked bike lane on the right side of the roadway. I came to a 4-way stop sign, and was going to turn right. I had my turn signal on and was sitting there for a moment because the car to my left had already stopped for the stop sign on their side, and had started to move across the intersection, so I had to wait for a bit longer than a normal stop before I could turn right.
As I started to pull away from the stop sign and make the turn, this I hear a loud shout, and then a thump, and look over my right shoulder and this guy on a bike was all the way up against the rear right side of my car and just slammed his hand down on the back window.
I stopped right there in the middle of the turn because I didn’t realize right away what had just happened. For a second I thought I’d run over him, but then realized I couldn’t have. And then he pedals around beside and is yelling about how I almost ran over him. Then he kept going. He looked unharmed to me.
Then I started thinking about what had to have happened, and if I was already stopped, and had my signal on and was turning, how could it be my fault? Don’t I have a right of way since I’m already at the stop sign? Is a cyclist allowed to pass a car in front of them that is turning right at a stop sign, if the car is already at the stop sign and starting to make a turn? The only possible way he could have been trying to go around me mid-turn was if he hadn’t stopped at the stop sign, and bikers are supposed to stop at stop signs. So I don’t see how any of this could’ve been me “almost running over him”.
Who is in the wrong here?
The street has a dedicated, marked bike lane on the right side of the roadway. I came to a 4-way stop sign, and was going to turn right. I had my turn signal on and was sitting there for a moment because the car to my left had already stopped for the stop sign on their side, and had started to move across the intersection, so I had to wait for a bit longer than a normal stop before I could turn right.
As I started to pull away from the stop sign and make the turn, this I hear a loud shout, and then a thump, and look over my right shoulder and this guy on a bike was all the way up against the rear right side of my car and just slammed his hand down on the back window.
I stopped right there in the middle of the turn because I didn’t realize right away what had just happened. For a second I thought I’d run over him, but then realized I couldn’t have. And then he pedals around beside and is yelling about how I almost ran over him. Then he kept going. He looked unharmed to me.
Then I started thinking about what had to have happened, and if I was already stopped, and had my signal on and was turning, how could it be my fault? Don’t I have a right of way since I’m already at the stop sign? Is a cyclist allowed to pass a car in front of them that is turning right at a stop sign, if the car is already at the stop sign and starting to make a turn? The only possible way he could have been trying to go around me mid-turn was if he hadn’t stopped at the stop sign, and bikers are supposed to stop at stop signs. So I don’t see how any of this could’ve been me “almost running over him”.
Who is in the wrong here?