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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does VYS aspire to be more than a neighborhood club? Why would you want this in an area where the elite level is already over saturated with options?

As a neighborhood club, you are content to see the most talented players leave the club for others offering higher levels of competition. It is a nice, comfortable niche. Maybe establish a pipeline to an ECNL club if you feel the need.

The talent makes those determinations. McLean and BRYC could be called the same. At some point, people decided to go further with it and the talent agreed. In terms of local talent, Vienna had more than either of those clubs at earlier ages. GFR is comparable. So yes, if they decide to ally, they could certainly strengthen a BRYC, which could use it. I don’t feel like this area of NOVA has any competitive options for my kid. So he plays elsewhere.

Except that McLean and BRYC are both already in ECNL (the topic of this thread). So they are not in the same "neighborhood club" category as VYS since they draw from a wider area. They both draw from VYS, among other clubs, just as your sons club probably has.

With regard to the motivation for such decisions, I think what you might be trying to say is that club leadership makes these decisions based on their own aspirations to be more than a neighborhood club, supported by their own assessments of the strength of their player pool. There is ego involved. Sometimes they are wrong, sometimes they are right. My point is that although mergers and alliances seem to be in vogue right now, it will change what is a nice neighborhood club.

At early ages, McLean and BRYC are nothing more than local or neighborhood clubs and their talent level is often below Vienna and GFR, especially on the boys side. The longer term disadvantage those clubs have had in ECNL is the absence of a significant talent pool from younger ages relative to the larger clubs like Arlington, Loudoun and VDA with PWSI and VDA. McLean's alliance with SYC is a way for them to try to solve that problem. BRYC still has it. So you can say these are elite clubs until you are blue in the face, but most people on the boys side would say that is simply not true at all at older ages, and absolutely false at younger ages. Boys from VYS aren't going over to McLean/BRYC U9-12 if they can play top team at VYS, unless they are playing up in ECNL.

All of that said, VYS does nicely, and we were happy to have spent time there.

Pretty sure Vienna's mission statement is to be a very good neighborhood club

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vys isn't really ecnl material maybe girls academy at most since their girls teams are good

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does VYS aspire to be more than a neighborhood club? Why would you want this in an area where the elite level is already over saturated with options?

As a neighborhood club, you are content to see the most talented players leave the club for others offering higher levels of competition. It is a nice, comfortable niche. Maybe establish a pipeline to an ECNL club if you feel the need.

The talent makes those determinations. McLean and BRYC could be called the same. At some point, people decided to go further with it and the talent agreed. In terms of local talent, Vienna had more than either of those clubs at earlier ages. GFR is comparable. So yes, if they decide to ally, they could certainly strengthen a BRYC, which could use it. I don’t feel like this area of NOVA has any competitive options for my kid. So he plays elsewhere.

Except that McLean and BRYC are both already in ECNL (the topic of this thread). So they are not in the same "neighborhood club" category as VYS since they draw from a wider area. They both draw from VYS, among other clubs, just as your sons club probably has.

With regard to the motivation for such decisions, I think what you might be trying to say is that club leadership makes these decisions based on their own aspirations to be more than a neighborhood club, supported by their own assessments of the strength of their player pool. There is ego involved. Sometimes they are wrong, sometimes they are right. My point is that although mergers and alliances seem to be in vogue right now, it will change what is a nice neighborhood club.

It would only affect the top team. Their second teams would stay as a neighborhood team.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does VYS aspire to be more than a neighborhood club? Why would you want this in an area where the elite level is already over saturated with options?

As a neighborhood club, you are content to see the most talented players leave the club for others offering higher levels of competition. It is a nice, comfortable niche. Maybe establish a pipeline to an ECNL club if you feel the need.

The talent makes those determinations. McLean and BRYC could be called the same. At some point, people decided to go further with it and the talent agreed. In terms of local talent, Vienna had more than either of those clubs at earlier ages. GFR is comparable. So yes, if they decide to ally, they could certainly strengthen a BRYC, which could use it. I don’t feel like this area of NOVA has any competitive options for my kid. So he plays elsewhere.

Except that McLean and BRYC are both already in ECNL (the topic of this thread). So they are not in the same "neighborhood club" category as VYS since they draw from a wider area. They both draw from VYS, among other clubs, just as your sons club probably has.

With regard to the motivation for such decisions, I think what you might be trying to say is that club leadership makes these decisions based on their own aspirations to be more than a neighborhood club, supported by their own assessments of the strength of their player pool. There is ego involved. Sometimes they are wrong, sometimes they are right. My point is that although mergers and alliances seem to be in vogue right now, it will change what is a nice neighborhood club.

Anonymous wrote:Does VYS aspire to be more than a neighborhood club? Why would you want this in an area where the elite level is already over saturated with options?

As a neighborhood club, you are content to see the most talented players leave the club for others offering higher levels of competition. It is a nice, comfortable niche. Maybe establish a pipeline to an ECNL club if you feel the need.

The talent makes those determinations. McLean and BRYC could be called the same. At some point, people decided to go further with it and the talent agreed. In terms of local talent, Vienna had more than either of those clubs at earlier ages. GFR is comparable. So yes, if they decide to ally, they could certainly strengthen a BRYC, which could use it. I don’t feel like this area of NOVA has any competitive options for my kid. So he plays elsewhere.

Does VYS aspire to be more than a neighborhood club? Why would you want this in an area where the elite level is already over saturated with options?

As a neighborhood club, you are content to see the most talented players leave the club for others offering higher levels of competition. It is a nice, comfortable niche. Maybe establish a pipeline to an ECNL club if you feel the need.

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Anonymous wrote:VYS can partner with MoCo teams.

Metro United partnered with Potomac.

Vienna is a whole lot closer to get to for MoCo.

Vienna would have to partner with GFR and/or BRYC. Vienna on its own peaks at ECNL-R. With that said, weren’t they partnered with VDA?

I agree with this and think those clubs should be partnered in any even, regardless of what league is in the offing. Yes, on VDA, but as a former VYS parent whose kid moved to another club at an older age, that was way too far from Vienna to be a viable option for our family.

Anonymous wrote:VYS can partner with MoCo teams.

Metro United partnered with Potomac.

Vienna is a whole lot closer to get to for MoCo.

Vienna would have to partner with GFR and/or BRYC. Vienna on its own peaks at ECNL-R. With that said, weren’t they partnered with VDA?

VYS can partner with MoCo teams.

Metro United partnered with Potomac.

Vienna is a whole lot closer to get to for MoCo.

Do you mean for next year?

Also I don't think VYS black teams can compete in ecnl-R. They would have to stay in ncsl to be competitive. Current red/phoenix teams are competitive in ecnl-R but black teams would not be.

unless your club is the size of an Arlington or a Loudon, going into ecnl without a feeder club or partner club isn't a very good idea, as BRYC has shown.

I can't think of any nearby club that would partner with them which would make sense except for PAC. But I don't think PAC+VYS would be able to keep up with the other clubs in the area except for Bryc of course

If true that means echo sucks.

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