Anonymous
10/28/2021 12:43
Subject: Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
So will this make actual Tesla owners in DC feel less cool and privileged?
Anonymous
10/28/2021 12:39
Subject: Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
It depends on the car. My daughter has a Chevy Cruz popular with Uber drivers. It is cheap and mpg is amazing. I filled the tank up
And drove DC to Long Island and Back in one tank. Large stretches was showing 40-45 mpg.
The diseal Cruze can hit 70 mpg on highway.
Drivers also use the Prius.
With no car great deal, but if you own a Cruze or Prius no way
And drove DC to Long Island and Back in one tank. Large stretches was showing 40-45 mpg.
The diseal Cruze can hit 70 mpg on highway.
Drivers also use the Prius.
With no car great deal, but if you own a Cruze or Prius no way
Anonymous
10/28/2021 10:44
Subject: Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why, specifically, are you excited about this?
I like Teslas and electric vehicles. They're better for the environment and pollution levels in my city. I hope the city sees this as a great pilot program and introduces an incentive to transition all Sanitation and Street Cleaning vehicles to electric-only as well.
Isn’t our electricity coal powered? How are electric cars better for the environment here?
DP.. not all electricity is coal powered, even so, getting off of cars that emit noxious gas is better for the environment, both locally and globally.
My only concern about being all electric is the burden on the electricity grid, which in areas that rely on A/C during the summer could be an issue.
Also, if the Tesla has issues while driving, and it loses power, the car is like a brick that is stuck in the middle of the road. There is no way to put the car in neutral if it loses power.
https://jalopnik.com/a-tesla-bricking-itself-on-the-highway-is-a-reminder-th-1847734019
Anonymous
10/28/2021 10:30
Subject: Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why, specifically, are you excited about this?
I like Teslas and electric vehicles. They're better for the environment and pollution levels in my city. I hope the city sees this as a great pilot program and introduces an incentive to transition all Sanitation and Street Cleaning vehicles to electric-only as well.
Isn’t our electricity coal powered? How are electric cars better for the environment here?
Anonymous
10/28/2021 09:38
Subject: Re:Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So Hertz is going to rent out the Teslas to Uber drivers for $334/week plus fees and taxes, and Uber is going to give drivers $1 extra per ride in an electric vehicle. So drivers will have to do 350+ drives per week, or an average of 50 a day every day, for the math to work. Yes, there would be gas savings, but not a huge amount per ride to bring that down meaningfully. Are Uber drivers really driving that much?
They wouldn't have to do 50 drives a day. Did you forget the drivers actually make profit for a ride? Probably averaging $4 a ride + $1 EV bonus and 20 rides a day that's $100 a day.
$500 a week if they're only working 5 days and part-time hours or 3 days but overnights heavy on weekends.
D.C. gas right now is $3.13/gallon for unleaded. To fill up a normal 15-gallon tank of a Honda Accord that's $47 with 2 fill-ups a week at $93.
So $334 - saving $93 in gas is a operating cost of $241 a week. A lease on a Honda Accord is $71 a week. Which brings the operating cost of a Tesla via Hertz down to $170/wk.
Now add in the bonus and assume you're making $100/day - you are taking in roughly $400/wk.
If you already HAVE a car, then no I wouldn't be renting a Tesla. But if, big if, Uber makes it possible for riders to request a Uber Tesla - these drivers will be in high demand and doing far more than 20 rides a day / $500 a week.
However one thing I'm not seeing is where these drivers are supposed to go and charge the vehicles. Most people do not have EV chargers in their garage and in D.C. in general parking is at premium so it would be almost impossible to find a parking spot anyway. If they have to drive back to Hertz and sit there for 2 hours as it charges - that's a huge no go.
Here's a D.C. uber drivers blog -
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/544126.page
What you're ignoring in your math is that, under your scenario, the person who is already leasing a Honda Accord for $71 a week can earn $80/week for the same number of rides without incurring the additional lease cost of the Tesla. So the real economics of switching to the Tesla is at extra $263 in lease costs per week, less your estimated $93 in gas per week to bring it down to $170 extra per week to operate a Tesla. If you're doing 100 drives per week, that's only $100 in extra income from the Tesla incentive, which means drivers would earn $70 less per week by switching to a Tesla rather than keeping their Honda. Even once they move to the $299/week rate they claim their targeting, that's still a net loss of $35/week.
Your caveat about how you wouldn't rent a Tesla if you already have a car is the real hitch here, because drivers must have at least a 4.7 star rating and need to have logged at least 150 trips to be eligible to lease a Tesla. So this isn't bringing in new drivers who don't have cars, this is targeting existing Uber drivers who presumably already have access to a car. If they drive long enough they presumably will need to replace their existing car at some point, but there's no reason to switch to Tesla if there are more cost-effective options out there that mean the drivers put more in the pockets on net.
Anonymous
10/28/2021 09:19
Subject: Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
The electrical grid cannot support a conversion to all electric, especially with the green energy initiatives being pushed by this administration. Heck, in California, the grid cannot support having 24 hour electricity available in homes.
China has a monopoly on the batteries used in electric cars, and most of the rare earth minerals used in that technology and green power such as solar panels.
Converting the US to electric only serves to drain our resources and enrich China.
China has a monopoly on the batteries used in electric cars, and most of the rare earth minerals used in that technology and green power such as solar panels.
Converting the US to electric only serves to drain our resources and enrich China.
Anonymous
10/28/2021 07:55
Subject: Re:Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
That's cool!
Anonymous
10/28/2021 07:53
Subject: Re:Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
Gas in my neighborhood is actually up to $3.49/gallon for unleaded.
Anonymous
10/28/2021 07:44
Subject: Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why, specifically, are you excited about this?
I like Teslas and electric vehicles. They're better for the environment and pollution levels in my city. I hope the city sees this as a great pilot program and introduces an incentive to transition all Sanitation and Street Cleaning vehicles to electric-only as well.
And noise reduction! While it is true that the majority of noise generated by cars, especially inside, It's from the tires, it's just so much nicer when the EVs roll down my little street than gas engines
Anonymous
10/28/2021 07:12
Subject: Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
Anonymous wrote:Why, specifically, are you excited about this?
I like Teslas and electric vehicles. They're better for the environment and pollution levels in my city. I hope the city sees this as a great pilot program and introduces an incentive to transition all Sanitation and Street Cleaning vehicles to electric-only as well.
Anonymous
10/28/2021 07:10
Subject: Re:Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
Anonymous wrote:So Hertz is going to rent out the Teslas to Uber drivers for $334/week plus fees and taxes, and Uber is going to give drivers $1 extra per ride in an electric vehicle. So drivers will have to do 350+ drives per week, or an average of 50 a day every day, for the math to work. Yes, there would be gas savings, but not a huge amount per ride to bring that down meaningfully. Are Uber drivers really driving that much?
They wouldn't have to do 50 drives a day. Did you forget the drivers actually make profit for a ride? Probably averaging $4 a ride + $1 EV bonus and 20 rides a day that's $100 a day.
$500 a week if they're only working 5 days and part-time hours or 3 days but overnights heavy on weekends.
D.C. gas right now is $3.13/gallon for unleaded. To fill up a normal 15-gallon tank of a Honda Accord that's $47 with 2 fill-ups a week at $93.
So $334 - saving $93 in gas is a operating cost of $241 a week. A lease on a Honda Accord is $71 a week. Which brings the operating cost of a Tesla via Hertz down to $170/wk.
Now add in the bonus and assume you're making $100/day - you are taking in roughly $400/wk.
If you already HAVE a car, then no I wouldn't be renting a Tesla. But if, big if, Uber makes it possible for riders to request a Uber Tesla - these drivers will be in high demand and doing far more than 20 rides a day / $500 a week.
However one thing I'm not seeing is where these drivers are supposed to go and charge the vehicles. Most people do not have EV chargers in their garage and in D.C. in general parking is at premium so it would be almost impossible to find a parking spot anyway. If they have to drive back to Hertz and sit there for 2 hours as it charges - that's a huge no go.
Here's a D.C. uber drivers blog -
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/544126.page
Anonymous
10/28/2021 07:06
Subject: Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
Why, specifically, are you excited about this?
Anonymous
10/28/2021 06:52
Subject: Re:Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
So Hertz is going to rent out the Teslas to Uber drivers for $334/week plus fees and taxes, and Uber is going to give drivers $1 extra per ride in an electric vehicle. So drivers will have to do 350+ drives per week, or an average of 50 a day every day, for the math to work. Yes, there would be gas savings, but not a huge amount per ride to bring that down meaningfully. Are Uber drivers really driving that much?
Anonymous
10/28/2021 06:13
Subject: Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
Very cool.
Anonymous
10/28/2021 06:11
Subject: Get ready for Teslas to flood the city of D.C.!
I'm excited. Apparently Washington, D.C. and the state of California are the test markets for Hertz' new tesla rentals to Uber drivers program through end of 2021.
They are sending 50,000 Tesla to be divided between the District and California to be used in Uber pick-ups and drop-offs.
Scheme is part of Uber's aim to be fully electric in the U.S. by 2030 and the tech firm will pay drivers $1 more for every electric ride as an initiative for them to switch.
The new initiative, announced Wednesday, is aimed at Uber drivers who don't own their own cars or prefer not to use a personal vehicle for work.
The test pilot is only available in Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego and Washington D.C.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/after-4-billion-deal-tesla-hertz-says-it-will-rent-n1282576
They are sending 50,000 Tesla to be divided between the District and California to be used in Uber pick-ups and drop-offs.
Scheme is part of Uber's aim to be fully electric in the U.S. by 2030 and the tech firm will pay drivers $1 more for every electric ride as an initiative for them to switch.
The new initiative, announced Wednesday, is aimed at Uber drivers who don't own their own cars or prefer not to use a personal vehicle for work.
The test pilot is only available in Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego and Washington D.C.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/after-4-billion-deal-tesla-hertz-says-it-will-rent-n1282576